Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
I've always thought the idea of 'Page Three' girls in some British newspapers is one that, if more widely adopted, could be rescuing the the dying newspaper industry right this minute.

I also am aware that many top models got their start there.

Who selects the models? Is it handled by each newspaper photo editor individually, or are there clearinghouses that supply this feature to the publications?

Are American models ever used for this?

Does anyone have any insights on submitting models or images for this use, contact suggestions, or other trenchant observations?

Thanks!

The newspapers have little to do with the selections [with the possible exception of the Sport]. It is a [glamour] photographer driven business. The thing is that virtually every P-3 image shot, across all the UK's red top tabloids,  has been shot by one of a very few photographers numbering at any given time not more than 4 or 5 altogether. That's been true for years.

No, it is unlikely that they would use shots of American girls unless they were already in the UK for some reason [e.g. a student or in some other resident status].

I suspect that if you could ever get a US newspaper to follow that proposition of publishing topless and only just legal P-3 girls to increase circulation there would be a roar heard around the world from the US religious right and the militant feminazis.

Studio36

Jirrupin wrote:
I couldn't see them using models from the US, they generally like to have a little backstory to the girls, to conjour a bit girl next door accessibility illusion. "Holly is a good Sussex girl who likes her crumpets hot...." etc etc and yeah from the photography side of the game, it is well stitched up.

As for American papers picking up the concept? That's hilarious, I think its more likely to happen in Iran first.

Do you Oz papers do P-3 girls?

Studio36

Jirrupin wrote:
I couldn't see them using models from the US, they generally like to have a little backstory to the girls, to conjour a bit girl next door accessibility illusion. "Holly is a good Sussex girl who likes her crumpets hot...." etc etc and yeah from the photography side of the game, it is well stitched up.

As for American papers picking up the concept? That's hilarious, I think its more likely to happen in Iran first.

Good point. If I had a gif of a glamour model doing a peekaboo shot wearing a burqa I would insert it here.

Designit - Edward Olson wrote:
I thought the Page 3 girl phenomenon died out when they couldn't use 16 year old girls any more.

Not really - they just started using 18 year old models instead.

When it comes down to it, for the average British punter sitting eating his cornflakes in his dark, depressing kitchen at 7am, a pretty face and nice boobs are going to put a smile on his face whatever the age of the model



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jirrupin wrote:
I couldn't see them using models from the US, they generally like to have a little backstory to the girls, to conjour a bit girl next door accessibility illusion. "Holly is a good Sussex girl who likes her crumpets hot...." etc etc and yeah from the photography side of the game, it is well stitched up.

Holly does not need to be from Sussex to get a heart-melting story about a poor little ugly girl from Sussex which lost three puppets when beeing twelve and than grow up to a beautiful swan with DD cups...

For this Holly just needs a professional writer.

German tabloids and cheap men's magazines have prefabcricated stories in stock for this purpose and simply put it together with the images.

Carlos Occidental wrote:
Back in the '80s, I'm pretty sure they were on page 6.  I really remember them being called page 6 girls.  When did they switch to page 3?

I'm pretty sure you're wrong. AFAIK they've always been on Page 3 - hence the name 'Page 3 girls"

And of course, there's even a Wikipedia page about it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Three




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Carlos Occidental wrote:
Back in the '80s, I'm pretty sure they were on page 6.  I really remember them being called page 6 girls.  When did they switch to page 3?

I can remember hearing of "page 3 girls" back to the 70's, even though I've never lived in the UK.

Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
I've always thought the idea of 'Page Three' girls in some British newspapers is one that, if more widely adopted, could be rescuing the the dying newspaper industry right this minute.

I also am aware that many top models got their start there.

Who selects the models? Is it handled by each newspaper photo editor individually, or are there clearinghouses that supply this feature to the publications?

Are American models ever used for this?

Does anyone have any insights on submitting models or images for this use, contact suggestions, or other trenchant observations?

Thanks!

Unless you're going to show a 12-15 page colour pictorial of 18-19 year olds fully nude and fashionably, but seductively clothed in a newspaper at least once weekly, there isn't a chance that such would bring newspapers back from the brink.  What would be the draw?  ... something 10x more boring that what everyone can see online at the drop of a hat without spending one red cent?   You'd might as well publish a photo of a nun sitting on a bench with an old lunch pail in her grips.  Not exciting enough for the public to want to pay for it.  That's the problem.

Wouldn't go over well with the demographic that's into still buying newspapers either.

Four-Eleven Productions wrote:
I've always thought the idea of 'Page Three' girls in some British newspapers is one that, if more widely adopted, could be rescuing the the dying newspaper industry right this minute.

I also am aware that many top models got their start there.

Who selects the models? Is it handled by each newspaper photo editor individually, or are there clearinghouses that supply this feature to the publications?

Are American models ever used for this?

Does anyone have any insights on submitting models or images for this use, contact suggestions, or other trenchant observations?

Thanks!

Those mags pay squat anymore, which is why most of those girls now do other things... nudie call-in tv shows, escorting etc. I worked with some (like LDM) waaaay back in the 90ies  and some of them are still around and now do those nighttime call-in shows to pay the bills.

So don't overestimate the effects a topless chick has on newspaper sales.

Art of the nude wrote:

I can remember hearing of "page 3 girls" back to the 70's, even though I've never lived in the UK.

Page 3 and come to think of it (well not literally!) that archaic rag 'The Sun', should have been left in the 70's. It's such a dated and tedious idea, both the paper and page 3!

London Fog wrote:
Page 3 and come to think of it (well not literally!) that archaic rag 'The Sun', should have been left in the 70's. It's such a dated and tedious idea, both the paper and page 3!

There is some element of newspaper tradition involved. Tradition = something you keep doing long after the original reason for doing it is completely forgotten.

Frankly, I always preferred watching L!VE-TV's [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhtWNUKtIsQ ] "News Bunny", "Topless Darts", "Tiffany's Big City Tips", in which model Tiffany Banister gave the financial news while stripping to her underwear, [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPS-nM6HBzc ] and "The weather, read in Norwegian" by a blonde model (Eva Bjertnes or Anne-Marie Foss) sometimes wearing a bikini, [America has never seen anything like it] L!VE-TV always had a better nipple count than the Sun anyway.

Studio36

DEP E510 wrote:


a shame we didn't import this idea from England...

would boost newspaper circulation substantially...

The only thing it would boost is people standing in line for a free hand out.  Even the good looking gals in bikinis handing out freebies during spring break can't get people to buy the products they're pushing-  mostly winds up being a waste unless you have a product that people are interested in buying anyway.

A nice looking gal in a t-shirt and shorts?  You'd be lucky if 100 people show up let alone buy anything.

Carlos Occidental wrote:
Back in the '80s, I'm pretty sure they were on page 6.  I really remember them being called page 6 girls.  When did they switch to page 3?

Labels without comprehension are amazing. I'm impressed by the tight correlation of cluelessness between pop culture and fine art culture.

RKD Photographic wrote:
Just FYI - Beverley Goodway died yesterday after losing a long fight with cancer... RIP

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … -dies.html

Ah sad to hear that , I never met him but I was responsible for processing his E6
films for quite a few years. For each page 3, there would be sometimes upto 30 rolls of it, all perfectly exposed.
Then these would be put on a drumscanner know as a Colourgetter sealed  with scanning liquid and taped on the drum. Quality was really at it's peak in those days.

Rob Mac Studio wrote:

Ah sad to hear that , I never met him but I was responsible for processing his E6
films for quite a few years. For each page 3, there would be sometimes upto 30 rolls of it, all perfectly exposed.
Then these would be put on a drumscanner know as a Colourgetter sealed  with scanning liquid and taped on the drum. Quality was really at it's peak in those days.

I remember scanning wet negs to try and beat the competition...took about 45 minutes to scan and transmit an image - madness...

Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
I can't see how adding a single photo of a topless girl would increase circulation here in the US.

I'm sure it would increase some men's circulation.

RKD Photographic wrote:
Just FYI - Beverley Goodway died yesterday after losing a long fight with cancer... RIP

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … -dies.html

I just got his book this week.
:_(

DEP E510 wrote:


a shame we didn't import this idea from England...

would boost newspaper circulation substantially...

no you're lucky! you don't want anything from that oily, lying effing rag!

studio36uk wrote:
The newspapers have little to do with the selections [with the possible exception of the Sport]. It is a [glamour] photographer driven business. The thing is that virtually every P-3 image shot, across all the UK's red top tabloids,  has been shot by one of a very few photographers numbering at any given time not more than 4 or 5 altogether. That's been true for years.

No, it is unlikely that they would use shots of American girls unless they were already in the UK for some reason [e.g. a student or in some other resident status].

I suspect that if you could ever get a US newspaper to follow that proposition of publishing topless and only just legal P-3 girls to increase circulation there would be a roar heard around the world from the US religious right and the militant feminazis.

Studio36

Beverley Goodway (RIP) probably the best known page 3 photographer.

Odd thing being that over the years the page 3 girls busts have got smaller ! This being in the 90's the models were BIG and have seen them with my own eyes on a shoot with 5 of these girls..... 4 of them were from Manchester and put their rather large busts down to a diet of fish and chips.

If anyone remembers her Linda Lusardi was a possible model of choice I could of had on test and I was only a mere assistant at the time.