mm wrote:
General Site Rules

We expect everyone utilizing Model Mayhem to adhere to the following rules and guidelines. The ultimate discretion in determining acceptable behavior and content resides with the administration and moderation teams.

Pornography, Sexual, and Imminently Dangerous Content

Do not use Model Mayhem to network for or solicit any pornographic, sexual, or imminently dangerous content or activities of any kind.

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
why would it not be legal
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porn is not allowed to be discussed in forums

My apologies,  I didn't know the rules.  I should have read them.

Thank You..

yogaphotodude wrote:

For any photoshoot that may apply, are you familiar with 2257 and 2257A? https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/1 … 2C%202257A).,the%20performers'%20names%20and%20ages.
When you submit photo for your portfolio here, 2257 is an issue.  Porn isn't allowed on MM but the 2257 issue can still be valid.

Any time you are shooting any work that could qualify for being subject to the requirements, you should follow them.  If the customer ships them over state lines, you are still accountable.   It is better to have the paperwork sitting in a file and not needing it, then trying to get it after the fact.

You can look through the forums and find threads on the subject.

You should also have a contract, waivers, releases, usage rights- a document to protect you if the items are released publicly- like through a hacking or some other situation beyond your control - and anything you need to protect yourself that you would use in any special circumstance shoot, which covers a lot of things, not just nudity.  "The Copyright Zone" has a little on the special circumstances.  They may call them sensitive issues.

Consider the risks verses the rewards.   Solid legal advice from a licensed attorney is a good choice.

Joe Tomasone wrote:

Technically porn can be *discussed* - the site just cannot be used to network for it, display it, etc.   Nor is this the proper place for graphic sexual discussion, frankly.   

However, one can certainly discuss the topic at hand.  We do not judge people on involvment in the adult industry or adult work; the rules simply prohibit using the site in any manner to facilitate its production or dissemination.

Then I guess I was in error for being shocked totally, when I stumbled into porn vids by a very well respected and successful model here.  Just a simple Google search on her latest work(usually all known MM photogs) ended up with a link to her other career.   I had put too much personal concern for her over the months, and believed all communications we had as truth.  Still shocked.    I'd guess that some photographers may have a concern about who they work with, by choice, for their own reputation, thus would not want to be surprised as such.
    As far as not 'networking' their efforts   what about all those who use OnlyFans and advertise it?    I dont'  visit OF, but I thought it was more than just erotic pics, such as including explicit porn stuff too.  I have no idea,  It's not my concern. Just wondered.

yogaphotodude wrote:
I have a girl wanting me to shoot "solo girl porn" of her for her husband.  Is this legal?

What forms do I need her to sign if it is?

It is legal. There is a certain amount of risk involved in most anything we do. Is she paying you?  It's been suggested that she bring you the memory card, shoot, pay you, and you give her the card. That is the least risky. If for whatever reason that you hang on to the images, get the 2257 form signed, ID confirmed, and a release allowing you ownership IF that is what you want.  I pay models, so that's what I'd do.  There are some States that make it illegal to send pornographic materials through the mail. So that is another risk you should consider.

There is something else to consider.  She says she is getting these photos for her husband.  What if he becomes jealous and angry at you for taking them?  I had a woman come to my studio in the 1990's who wanted modeling shots taken that would be provocative, but not anything nude or pornorgraphic.  She was an excellent model.  She posed in lingerie, cowgirl outfit, and then with firefighter gear.  Her boyfriend being a firefighter is how she borrowed the gear.  We had a blast, lots of good images so she bought a lot of photos. 

Later she came back to the studio crying because she did not expect the angry reaction from her boyfriend.  Sadly that put an end to any future modeling career that she had considered.  I've had similar incidents of boyfriends not taking kindly to their girlfriends modeling regardless if I was being paid or paying her. We are not talking about pornographic images as the woman is asking you for, but simply modeling images. Now it might be different with her husband as I've found husbands in general to be less jealous.

Weldphoto wrote:
Perhaps the real issue is how her husband will react to this. I frankly wouldn't touch such a request.

I feel the same way as you.  Doesn't sound like a promising gig.

Patrick Walberg wrote:

I feel the same way as you.  Doesn't sound like a promising gig.

I did a gig like this once at Husbands request.
He was a service member going overseas and wanted photos of wife he could load on a portable device,
to help with the lonely nights I suppose.
Though a bit awkward as I had never shot that genre before I remember the experience fondly as the wife was a total sweetheart. I hope he made it back in one piece.

yogaphotodude wrote:
I have a girl wanting me to shoot "solo girl porn" of her for her husband.  Is this legal?

What forms do I need her to sign if it is?

These are fun to shoot. When I started shooting back in the 90's, I started out shooting solo girl video and stills. If she is hiring you to shoot the video and you aren't going to market it yourself, then no forms are required. You shoot, edit, give her the finished video (or unedited memory card with raw footage) and delete your copies. It's a private agreement/transaction.

However, if you intend to market the video yourself via Clips4sale or manyvids, then a model release and a 2257 form is required. You might also need a site specific form with the model giving you permission to post on that site. I think fansly has such a form.

You might also discuss shooting 2 versions at the same time using multiple cameras. One perspective for her (and her husband) and one that shoots her faceless for your use. If you want to market it as well.

Lastly, you might also discuss running a stand alone digital recorder during the shoot. This separate audio recording would give you both another piece of media. One that her husband might enjoy listening to and you can also market the audio clip separately.

Either way, just have fun and check the gig off your bucket list.

Model MoRina wrote:
If she's smart, she is going to have you use her memory card and just pay you for your time. You only need a release and 2257 paperwork if you own the images.

As far as  I know, the definition of producer in the statute has nothing to do with ownership (or copyright for that matter). And with the metadata embedded in the files the photos are likely traceable back to you. Or the model just says you did the shooting. There is zero guarantee that the model will not later decide to post the images or vids, in which case she needs the documentation. I would ALWAYS cover my but.

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Iona Lynn 2 wrote:
Sure! Shooting private adult content is legal, and no need for  silly paperwork if it is "PRIVATE" work.

Ask your client what ideas they have.
Make a mood board.
Send them a package of how many hours shooting, photos, and your price.
Shoot it.
Cash the check.

And on to the next one....

You left out  “Verify the subjects age”…. But other than that, exactly.