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Robert_Darabos

Posts: 274

Saginaw, Michigan, US

I use Canon AE-1 which has FD mount lenses.
Someone tells me that it isn't any good...
I thought my images usually turn out really good.
I've never thought anything was really wrong with them.
Am I in need of an upgrade?

A certain "someone" also informed me that to be taken
seriously by models and people in this field,
you have to have a "black camera" cause it looks
more professional.
I happen to hate all black cameras.
Mine is silver and black.
So now I'm not professional?

I don't know whether or not to take this persons
comments as a complete joke or not.

I know FD is an older lens, and I know with newer
glass my images would probably come out a lot better...

Any thoughts?

Nov 20 05 03:05 pm Link

Photographer

William Herbert

Posts: 408

Bryan, Ohio, US

Robert_Vega wrote:
I use Canon AE-1 which has FD mount lenses.
Someone tells me that it isn't any good...
I thought my images usually turn out really good.
I've never thought anything was really wrong with them.
Am I in need of an upgrade?

A certain "someone" also informed me that to be taken
seriously by models and people in this field,
you have to have a "black camera" cause it looks
more professional.
I happen to hate all black cameras.
Mine is silver and black.
So now I'm not professional?

I don't know whether or not to take this persons
comments as a complete joke or not.

I know FD is an older lens, and I know with newer
glass my images would probably come out a lot better...

Any thoughts?

I wonder what they would think of my 70 yr old Agfa folding camera? The are full of horseshack....

Nov 20 05 03:08 pm Link

Photographer

former_mm_user

Posts: 5521

New York, New York, US

Good technique is more important than specific equipment, except in extreme cases.   Canon FD lenses are fine, although I would recommend sticking with primes rather than zooms.  If you want to upgrade, go to medium format rather than just moving across to another 35mm system.  Medium format kits are a steal right now, thanks to digital!

The comment about camera color is just silly.

Nov 20 05 03:09 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

There are tons of great FD lenses as well as poor quality FD lenses, just as there are great EF lenses and lousy EF lenses.  There are still thousands of photographers making fabulous photos with AE-1s and FD lenses.

And silver vs. black...it really doesn't matter, though some people will judge you for it--like your "friend".  You just have to how that your clients aren't similarly prejudiced.

(I wonder what that person thinks of these:

https://www.gilghitelman.com/images/501cmcolors1.jpg)

Nov 20 05 03:10 pm Link

Photographer

Picture This

Posts: 1776

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Photographers, at least pro photographers shooting editorial, candid, documentary, and war coverage generally opt for all black bodies to minimize any chance of reflections bouncing off their cameras. Not good to alert a sniper with a stray reflection. wink

So it caught on that pros used "only" black bodies, and the cameras that had some silvery chrome parts were strictly for amateurs.

Hogwash!

The cameras work the same, and your results will be just as good as those "pros" with all black bodies.

Old Canon glass is great stuff, too, even though I am a Nikon fan. Keep that camera! It is well-built, and can function even if the meter battery dies. That's a good camera to always have in your bag.

Take the advice of others: if you WANT to improve the quality of the negatives, invest in medium format equipment.

It won't improve your technique, for that will be the same no matter what camera you use ~ and will improve with every shot you take.

Nov 20 05 03:17 pm Link

Photographer

William Herbert

Posts: 408

Bryan, Ohio, US

Brian Diaz wrote:
There are tons of great FD lenses as well as poor quality FD lenses, just as there are great EF lenses and lousy EF lenses.  There are still thousands of photographers making fabulous photos with AE-1s and FD lenses.

And silver vs. black...it really doesn't matter, though some people will judge you for it--like your "friend".  You just have to how that your clients aren't similarly prejudiced.

(I wonder what that person thinks of these:

https://www.gilghitelman.com/images/501cmcolors1.jpg)

This person would like to have one of those!

Nov 20 05 03:17 pm Link

Photographer

Picture This

Posts: 1776

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Brian Diaz wrote:
(I wonder what that person thinks of these:

https://www.gilghitelman.com/images/501cmcolors1.jpg)

Drool!

smile

Nov 20 05 03:19 pm Link

Photographer

Robert_Darabos

Posts: 274

Saginaw, Michigan, US

Brian Diaz wrote:
(I wonder what that person thinks of these:

https://www.gilghitelman.com/images/501cmcolors1.jpg)

Yeah, I'd lose an arm for a couple of those smile  Well, not an arm cause it'd be hard to shoot, but you get the point.

Nov 20 05 03:21 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

William Herbert wrote:

This person would like to have one of those!

That person is not alone.

Nov 20 05 03:30 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

Well, duh, everyone knows that cameras which are all black create better photographs.  Photographers know this.  Models know this.  Clients certainly know this.  And if any of them find out that you shot those images of yours with a camera that wasn't black, they'll immediately know that your images aren't any good (even if they liked them at first). 

And, yknow, I'll be happy to take that silver&black camera off your hands since it won't be doing you any good anyhow.  Y'know, out of the kindness of my heart...

Your images look great, no matter what you used to capture them.  Or what color it was, for that matter.  This "someone" was feeding you a bowl-full of nonsense.  Your photos makes you look more professional than your equipment will.

Nov 20 05 03:45 pm Link

Photographer

Robert_Darabos

Posts: 274

Saginaw, Michigan, US

gracias.

Nov 20 05 03:50 pm Link

Photographer

JMedkeff

Posts: 130

Anchorage, Alaska, US

Robert_Vega wrote:
A certain "someone" also informed me that to be taken
seriously by models and people in this field,
you have to have a "black camera" cause it looks
more professional.

Yeah, this is definitely true. I know that the only people in my industry that I take seriously are the conformist masses who constantly imitate each other and follow each other around like a herd of sheep, never having had an original thought in their lives. And amongst all those in the herd, the ones that I take the most seriously, those standing at the utter pinnacle of credibility, are bigots who judge cameras by the color of their skin.

(Sarcasm, for those impaired.)

Nov 20 05 06:40 pm Link

Photographer

Marvin Dockery

Posts: 2243

Alcoa, Tennessee, US

SGS wrote:

Yeah, this is definitely true. I know that the only people in my industry that I take seriously are the conformist masses who constantly imitate each other and follow each other around like a herd of sheep, never having had an original thought in their lives. And amongst all those in the herd, the ones that I take the most seriously, those standing at the utter pinnacle of credibility, are bigots who judge cameras by the color of their skin.

(Sarcasm, for those impaired.)

One of the advantages of a silver camera is that in hot sun the camera does not overheat, and damage the film.

FD prime lenses were sharp, the zooms OK if stopped down a little.

Nov 20 05 08:47 pm Link

Photographer

Scott Aitken

Posts: 3587

Seattle, Washington, US

One photography instructor I once had said that a camera is nothing but a box that holds your film, and that the lens is the much more crucial component. Or something like that. And he was right. If someone is looking at one of your prints, there is no way they can tell what kind of camera you used to create it.

The primary difference between the older Canon FD mount and the newer Canon EF mount is auto-focus. All of the FD lenses, and the cameras that they were built for, are manual focus lenses. Both Canon and Nikon switched to auto-focus in the mid-1980s. Nikon chose to use the same mount, which allows current Nikon bodies to use older manual-focus Nikon lenses. At the time, it was a good move, because it didn't force Nikon shooters to replace all of their lenses at once. They could continue to use their old lenses (albeit without auto-focus). Canon went the other route. When they switched to auto-focus, they designed a new lens mount (EF), which was incompatible with all the old FD lenses.

History lesson aside, the AE-1 is a perfectly serviceable film body, and the better FD lenses are every bit as good optically as the better EF mount lenses of today. Both lens mounts have a wide range of lenses, some of which have better optics than others (I wouldn't give you $5 for a "new" Canon kit zoom lens that they sell with the Rebel). There are still excellent quality FD lenses available on eBay or KEH.

When people are contemplating hiring me (or working with me), they are usually more concerned with the quality and creativity of my photography. Only rarely does anyone even ask what kind of camera I use, and most couldn't care less, as long as I can give them the kind of photos they want.

This reminds me of when the first Digtial Rebel came out a year or so ago, and one well known reviewer panned it because it had a silver finish instead of a black finish, complaining that it looked too amateur. A friend of mine even hesitated to buy one because of this. I told him that it had exactly the same sensor as the 10D and that the images were completely indistinguishable from that of a 10D. Unless he needed a feature of the 10D that was not available on the D-Rebel, then it was silly to avoid the D-Rebel because it was silver. It's just paint. Personally, I'd like my next one in purple, please.  :-)

Nov 20 05 11:54 pm Link

Photographer

Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

Robert_Vega wrote:
I use Canon AE-1 which has FD mount lenses.
Someone tells me that it isn't any good...
I thought my images usually turn out really good.
I've never thought anything was really wrong with them.
Am I in need of an upgrade?

Well, if they give you what you want, no. You don't need an upgrade.

I changed from FD to EOS a few years ago, when my eyes stopped "autofocusing", and wouldn't let me get the camera to do that properly. (It's hard to manually focus a lens when your eyes won't focus well.) There was no real improvement in results other than getting more in-focus shots.

I know FD is an older lens, and I know with newer
glass my images would probably come out a lot better...

Maybe. It would depend on your current lenses and the newer ones you shifted to. Few of the EOS primes are less sharp than their FD equivalents, and most are somewhat more resistant to flare, but there's no substantial improvement in general for the primes. Zooms are mostly better if you get L lenses, even if your FD zooms are L's, but not as much for the common FD equivalents; EOS simply has a larger choice of zooms.

Nov 21 05 02:05 am Link

Photographer

wirehead arts

Posts: 273

Sunnyvale, California, US

Robert_Vega wrote:
A certain "someone" also informed me that to be taken
seriously by models and people in this field,
you have to have a "black camera" cause it looks
more professional.
I happen to hate all black cameras.
Mine is silver and black.
So now I'm not professional?

No!

They got it ALL WRONG!

You must have WHITE lenses.  And a camera with a big lump underneath!

Umm....  Yeaaaah.

Let's just say that I've gotten into galleries more than once with 11x14's taken on a digital P&S camera.  And I also shoot with an FD-mount camera with prime lenses.  If you are content to shoot film, the FD system is a great buy because everything's reasonably priced. smile

Nov 21 05 09:22 am Link

Photographer

Robert_Darabos

Posts: 274

Saginaw, Michigan, US

so there isn't much of a difference between the FD and EF mounts?  Because, personally, I hate auto-focus lenses.


Dos... prime meaning??? a set lens, like 50mm?
I have the 50mm,
35-105mm (something like that)
70-210mm
the 2x extender
and extension tubes.......

Nov 21 05 11:50 am Link

Photographer

wirehead arts

Posts: 273

Sunnyvale, California, US

Robert_Vega wrote:
so there isn't much of a difference between the FD and EF mounts?  Because, personally, I hate auto-focus lenses.


Dos... prime meaning??? a set lens, like 50mm?
I have the 50mm,
35-105mm (something like that)
70-210mm
the 2x extender
and extension tubes.......

Prime = not zoom.  So the 50mm is prime.  the 35-105 is zoom.

The main difference between the EF and FD mounts is that the EF mount has no mechanical connections, just electrical connections.  EF lenses have no aperature ring.. all of the controls are on the camera body.

I would imagine that the optics on the EF mount zooms are going to be a tad better.  Zoom lenses, optically, are hard to do right.  Computers and modern materials help that along.

But they haven't done much with prime lenses in the past 10-15 years, so all of the old FD-mount prime lenses are fine.

Nov 21 05 12:09 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Robert_Vega wrote:
A certain "someone" also informed me that to be taken
seriously by models and people in this field,
you have to have a "black camera" cause it looks
more professional.

I wonder if "someone" thinks that the Hasselblad H1 is not a 'professional' camera because of its champaign paint job.....

Nov 21 05 03:38 pm Link