Forums > Photography Talk > Backdrops: paper vs muslin vs cotton

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MusePhotography

Posts: 120

Duxbury, Massachusetts, US

I'm looking to purchase a backdrop, which is best?

Jul 28 08 03:55 pm Link

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Hipgnosis Dreams

Posts: 8943

Dallas, Texas, US

Define "best."

What is your budget?  How much space do you have to donate to this?  Is it a permanent location or do you need to be able to tear it down?

Jul 28 08 04:03 pm Link

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Rick Davis Photography

Posts: 3733

San Antonio, Texas, US

Adding machine vs. calculator!  wink

Jul 28 08 04:05 pm Link

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4C 41 42

Posts: 11093

Nashville, Tennessee, US

MusePhotography wrote:
I'm looking to purchase a backdrop, which is best?

Best for what?

Jul 28 08 04:07 pm Link

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MusePhotography

Posts: 120

Duxbury, Massachusetts, US

Recently I've been photographing for t-shirt companies. I need something that will take the light well, but won't look flat.

I have a pretty big space for it, so size is no issue and i'll hardly be breaking it down.

Jul 28 08 04:09 pm Link

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MusePhotography

Posts: 120

Duxbury, Massachusetts, US

money= $.01-1,000,000,000,000

no issues

Jul 28 08 04:11 pm Link

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Shutter Scene

Posts: 61

Henderson, Nevada, US

paper is really cheap and can be thrown out while cotton is expensive and you can re-use. all depends on your budget...i use cotton smile

Jul 28 08 04:12 pm Link

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Images by Yancy

Posts: 1703

Roseville, California, US

If money wasn't an issue and space isn't an issue, I would build my own oversized softbox.

Jul 28 08 04:13 pm Link

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MusePhotography

Posts: 120

Duxbury, Massachusetts, US

Images by Yancy wrote:
If money wasn't an issue and space isn't an issue, I would build my own oversized softbox.

great idea!

Jul 28 08 04:16 pm Link

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Rick Davis Photography

Posts: 3733

San Antonio, Texas, US

MusePhotography wrote:
money= $.01-1,000,000,000,000

no issues

When I think of muslin, I think of portrait studios, school pictures, etc.  I see it as being sort of outdated although there are a lot of guys still using it.  If I shoot in studio, I use paper but I prefer the variety of colors, shades, textures, shapes and interest of location (outdoor) shooting!  wink

Marc
www.marc-grant.com

Jul 28 08 04:16 pm Link

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4C 41 42

Posts: 11093

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Paper is nice because it comes in lots of colors and it's smooth.   It needs to be stored on it's end though, and it's a pain to move around.  (If you store it on the floor, it'll develop a flat spot and will have a definite pattern next time you unroll it).

Shipping on paper can be rough, so it's best to buy it locally if you can.

Fabric backgrounds have more texture and can be pretty interesting if used correctly.  Using the same ones over and over will get old quick though.  Shipping is cheaper and storage is easier.

What's "best" is really more about what kind of look you want.

Jul 28 08 04:17 pm Link

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Le Beck Photography

Posts: 4114

Los Angeles, California, US

MusePhotography wrote:
I'm looking to purchase a backdrop, which is best?

If you're near a textile district in a big city and you know someone who can sew, you can save a huge amount of money by buying cloth by the yard. Heavy weight Cotton Muslin is quite cheap. If you want a painted backdrop you'll have to do that yourself or shell out the rip-off prices outfits like Westcott charge.

Jul 28 08 04:21 pm Link

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Connor Photography

Posts: 8539

Newark, Delaware, US

I like Paper the best.  Muslin lasts forever but it is pain to use, unless the you have a huge studio and you can put the model far away from the BG.

Jul 28 08 04:27 pm Link

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Leroy Dickson

Posts: 8239

Flint, Michigan, US

MusePhotography wrote:
Recently I've been photographing for t-shirt companies. I need something that will take the light well, but won't look flat.

I have a pretty big space for it, so size is no issue and i'll hardly be breaking it down.

If I were shooting for t-shirt companies I'd likely go with a neutral paper. You can light the background with falloff for a gradient look to it, if you go with a gray. Muslins ten to look like... well muslins.

Jul 28 08 04:33 pm Link

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Frank McAdam

Posts: 2222

New York, New York, US

I use Photek backgrounds -- don't wrinkle as easily as muslin.

Jul 28 08 04:37 pm Link

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RichSeattlePhoto

Posts: 5794

Seattle, Washington, US

MusePhotography wrote:
money= $.01-1,000,000,000,000

no issues

MusePhotography wrote:
money= $.01-1,000,000,000,000

no issues

$1 Billion dollars?

*calls 3M and has engineers work on perfect fabric for light reflection resulting in 5 new patents and millions of square miles of fabric sold*


I love how money is never an issue.

Shooting T-shirts I would want something that even at close/macro shots had no texture or grain to it so that the texture of the shirt fabric was the only thing visible.

Jul 28 08 04:59 pm Link

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Steve Reganato

Posts: 1680

New York, New York, US

MusePhotography wrote:
money= $.01-1,000,000,000,000

no issues

Since money is no object, why not build a cyc? You can paint it, and you can also still put up a  cotton/muslin backdrop too.

Jul 28 08 05:03 pm Link

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Manring Photo

Posts: 670

Portland, Maine, US

MusePhotography wrote:
I'm looking to purchase a backdrop, which is best?

If money is not a problem, and you do not want all your t-shirt shoot backgrounds to look the same, get all three. I like, and use, all three types of backgrounds mentioned, and use them all regularly, depending on the look I am after.

As for something that does not look flat, a lot of that will have to do with your lighting, no matter what you use.

Jul 28 08 05:40 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

MusePhotography wrote:
I'm looking to purchase a backdrop, which is best?

Yes. smile

Paper, fabric, muslin, painted canvas, vinyl--they all have their uses.

As Marc noted, muslins tend to be used more by retail photographers--portraits and the like--and less by commercial photographers. Seamless paper tends to give images a more clean look; less rich, but less distracting as well, which is why it's used so often in catalog work.

Paper is harder to transport in a car (or bus or train).

At the top of the forum there's a thread entitled Photography Talk: Rules, Resources and FAQ. In that thread, there are links to key MM threads. One of those is the Studio Reference thread, which has some sections on backgrounds (and set designing in general).

Jul 28 08 05:54 pm Link

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Hector Fernandez

Posts: 1152

Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico

The best thing (if you can afford it) is a plaster cyclorama, you just need to paint it and you have seamless for ages.

Second best is seamless paper, I use Savage. Seamless paper comes in different widths the smallest is 138 cms. wich is wide enough for sears-target catalogues or anything besides models with wide open arms a la Jesus, I recommend for this one a couple of autopoles, because the foot print of tripods can be problematic with a this small width. If you want more flexibility (groups, couples, jumps, diagonal lying models) you need the more wide ones and yes those are a bitch to transport. I highly recommend you some plexyglass and translucid acrylic boards for any width so the models step on them instead of your seamless, this avoids footprints (that you have to erase in PS) and makes the paper last longer, besides it looks cooler and helps bouncing light in the ankles and feet for a more even subject exposure.

Jul 28 08 06:40 pm Link