SayCheeZ!  wrote:

WoW.  You're getting really good at digging up these fossilized threads!
(but at least there's now something going on in these forums)

And I thought *I* was old

Damn

Jeff Goldblum is terrified of this post

Manfred wrote:

So true. Every model who claims to do only paid photoshoots is lying.

I have several people I work with no money exchanged either way. But i can count them on one hand, maybe two.

This is my full time job, in order to survive I need to work for money 😂 my landlord is nice but even he wouldn't accept prints for rent

JSouthworth wrote:
In the UK most models will only do paid shoots, sometimes they will work on a part-paid or TF basis if they want the pictures for their own use, not otherwise.

Yet more bunkum from Southy I'm afraid.

In the UK it is common for models to shoot TF, provided the photographer is capable of producing a decent picture and has an established track record of reliability and decency.

Of course, photographers who can't shoot a decent picture for toffee, and whose established track record trounces any notion that they might be reliable and decent, wouldn't know that.

JSouthworth wrote:
Why don't models pose nude for free? One reason is that it wouldn't make them any more popular with other models. They might well be accused of undermining other peoples' livelihoods. It might be considered "unprofessional".

In the end it's a question of supply and demand, there are more photographers than there are nude models, so the economics work in favor of the model.

... and even more ignorant bunkum from Southy - the stuff he makes up inside his head has zero foundation in reality. Having said that, it's entirely plausible that UK models refuse to model nude 'for free' for Southy, but his particular experiences are not consistent with those of accomplished UK model photographers generally (and no doubt elsewhere too).

P R E S T O N wrote:

Yet more bunkum from Southy I'm afraid.

In the UK it is common for models to shoot TF, provided the photographer is capable of producing a decent picture and has an established track record of reliability and decency.

Of course, photographers who can't shoot a decent picture for toffee, and whose established track record trounces any notion that they might be reliable and decent, wouldn't know that.

You seem to have an unhealthy preoccupation with yours truly, to the extent that you never seem to write about anything else. Would you like to tell us the reason for that, or would you like me to do that for you?

JSouthworth wrote:
Why don't models pose nude for free? One reason is that it wouldn't make them any more popular with other models. They might well be accused of undermining other peoples' livelihoods. It might be considered "unprofessional".

In the end it's a question of supply and demand, there are more photographers than there are nude models, so the economics work in favor of the model.

I would really love to get behind this thought process.
I am absolutely baffled at your 'reasoning'.

How's about some insight, and of course I am only One person, but let's start somewhere:
My model friends (and non-model friends!) do not give a flying hoot about how unclad I pose.
I do not give one at their state of undress, it takes no work from my roster, it takes zero food from my table.

Quite on the contrary, we talk, all them nude posing women and I. Across years, states, hiatus, and any kind of life change you can possibly imagine we've been talking.
We talk about our work, our experiences with you (plural, all y'all out there), and our bodies, since those are 'the merch'.
There is nothing 'unprofessional' about posing nude, you absolute turnip. Between I'd say 5-7 of the traveling veteran models up in here, we know probably 85% of all y'all (at least here in the US) out there.
The economics. LMFAO.

Here's something I have to keep asking people when I get questioning looks after I they ask what I do for a living and they don't understand why they don't know me from a Target print ad:

Have you ever been to a museum? One with paintings? Maybe some of these paintings were of a reclining lady, perhaps? Or two ladies, or maybe even three or more, all frolicking around some body of water, perhaps being seduced by fauns and nymphing around the forest.. you know the type.
Do you think the painter dreamt up those bodies, imagined them?
Or maybe a bunch of ladies had to stand there, in the buff, so the artists had something to draw from? What do you call those women?

Ta-daaaaaas!!!!


JSoth, honey, you are being ridiculous to the point where I sincerely question not your motive, like some of your colleagues, but your intellectual abilities.
And I don't mean to be rude, on the contrary son, I am absolutely serious when I say that if you were my dear relative or close friend, I'd ask you to go get your head checked, because you're not making much sense recently. Neither here nor in any other thread.

Dea and the Beast wrote:
There is nothing 'unprofessional' about posing nude, you absolute turnip.

To be fair, I think he was talking about models posing nude FOR FREE, and saying that other British models might consider THAT to be unprofessional, and also as being deleterious to their making a living at it.

But I'll give you credit for having earned (with bad experiences) all of those sharp edges you seem to employ so readily these days here on the forums. It may feel clever to you as you write, but it seems way overdone in your recent posts, and is rather unattractive as a personality feature. Time to chill a bit maybe?

Modelphilia wrote:

To be fair, I think he was talking about models posing nude FOR FREE, and saying that other British models might consider THAT to be unprofessional, and also as being deleterious to their making a living at it.

But I'll give you credit for having earned (with bad experiences) all of those sharp edges you seem to employ so readily these days here on the forums. It may feel clever to you as you write, but it seems way overdone in your recent posts, and is rather unattractive as a personality feature. Time to chill a bit maybe?

You are very much welcome to mind your own business,  I do not need you to censor me. If you're uncomfortable reading about what's really going on, you don't have to follow me around and be reactionary.

Dea and the Beast wrote:
There is nothing 'unprofessional' about posing nude, you absolute turnip. . .

. . .  JSoth, honey, you are being ridiculous to the point where I sincerely question not your motive, like some of your colleagues, but your intellectual abilities.
And I don't mean to be rude, on the contrary son, I am absolutely serious when I say that if you were my dear relative or close friend, I'd ask you to go get your head checked, because you're not making much sense recently. Neither here nor in any other thread.

That is PURE ABUSE.

AND, in expressing all that vitriol, you had the facts of your victim's posting completely wrong, and attacked him for things he never said!

Maybe the Moderators should evaluate your "contributions" to the forums, since you don't seem to be able to do that on your own. It's one thing to be jaded, and quite another to be vicious.

You weren't being censored by me, just being asked to rein it in a bit, and to be fair. But that doesn't seem to be your strong point. Maybe it's time to take your own advice and "go get your head checked."

JSouthworth wrote:
When would a female model pose nude for free? Perhaps if she had strong exhibitionist tendencies and was so loaded that she didn't care about money. The probability of either is low, but both at the same time? Forget it.

It might have been different at one time when nudity was a kind of socio/political statement.

Many of the traveling models whom I have worked with shot nudes TFP with photographers whose work they liked. They expected , and generally received images that they were proud of and could also use in their portfolios to generate more work.

JSouthworth wrote:
When would a female model pose nude for free? Perhaps if she had strong exhibitionist tendencies and was so loaded that she didn't care about money. The probability of either is low, but both at the same time? Forget it.

It might have been different at one time when nudity was a kind of socio/political statement.

You really don't know when to just shut up, old chap. Your opinionated, fact free effusions are ludicrous.

Red Sky Photography wrote:
Many of the traveling models whom I have worked with shot nudes TFP with photographers whose work they liked. They expected , and generally received images that they were proud of and could also use in their portfolios to generate more work.

Every image in my MM portfolio was shot TFP.

JSouthworth wrote:
When would a female model pose nude for free? Perhaps if she had strong exhibitionist tendencies and was so loaded that she didn't care about money. The probability of either is low, but both at the same time? Forget it.

It might have been different at one time when nudity was a kind of socio/political statement.

More pointless, false blather spew. Endless it seems...
Like the Modelphilia above me, all TFP images here. Models do benefit from having some interesting images in their ports, taken by a photographer who upholds courteous behavior with everybody at all times.