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my (politically incorrect) visualization (misinterpretation?) of the initial question:  ? jk Oct 24 20 06:10 pm Link After reading these posts, I feel young again at 51. Nov 25 20 01:34 pm Link Senior photographer? Is that someone who photographs students about to graduate high school? Nov 25 20 05:53 pm Link Dea and the Beast wrote: As a Photographer I warn Models that I am only good to shoot for about 90 minutes Nov 25 20 06:07 pm Link IN the Philly area there are a lot of workshops?group shoots and while There is an age range for the photographers most are over 50 many over 60 and a few of us over 70. While the photo opportunities are more limited than in one on one bookings they are a cost effective introduction and lead to other opportunities. Remember all things are negotiable and the more flexible you are on when you shoot the more flexible models area on their rate, especially if the project interests them and it is a cash + photo package. Today models have more options to monetize their work than just what they are paid per hour. Nov 26 20 06:36 am Link I've worked with photographers all over the age spectrum, and age doesn't really seem to influence whether they come off as "creepy" or not. I can usually tell by the way they communicate before the shoot as to what their intentions are, and I've managed to avoid some unfortunate situations thanks to that. Maybe it's different for male models, but that's been my experience. Jan 02 21 06:39 am Link Garry k wrote: at $100+ pr hr I can understand why. Jan 02 21 12:22 pm Link FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: Me too. Jan 04 21 06:10 pm Link FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: I used to do a lot of trade in my younger days as a photographer ( back when I had better health and more energy ) I was the principle photographer for my city's Fashion Week for about 12 years and through that role - I met a lot of aspiring fashion models who wanted / needed photos for their portfolios . Also because i started my portfolio here on MM with some shots i had taken of 17 yr old Coco Rocha ( in a trade shoot with a local designer ) I got a fair bit of interest ( in doing trades ) here on MM once Coco became famous Jan 05 21 02:08 am Link matt-h2 wrote: Yes...Correct Answer Jan 05 21 12:01 pm Link No Country for Old Men I average 5-6 shots per hr using non standard techniques 2hr booking about the min time it makes sense to shelp all the gear and setup for a shoot. For me and my techniques. Jan 05 21 12:05 pm Link Age absolutely does not matter to me in the slightest. As long as the photographers I work with are respectful, creatively keen and have a passion for what they do, that's really all that matters to me. You can have a wonderful rapport with someone who is 18 or someone who is 100, and everyone in between, and if you don't it's more likely to be a clash of personality for other reasons rather than age. One of the most memorable photographers I've worked with for the sheer interesting & enjoyable nature of our shoots is a guy named David Rayment Kirby, who is now in his late 80s. Obviously Covid-19 has stopped us shooting, but I was shooting with him throughout 2016-2019 - it was always a blast and SO fun & unique - those shoots will stay in my memory forever. He's incredibly modest, yet makes his own light stands, modifers, props, diffusers.. he even makes his own wood & brass plate cameras from scratch, he paints his own backdrops.. he is a fascinating individual, from his thinking outside-the-box creativity to stories of his past experience shooting models from Scotty's in the 60s. I don't think people should ever discriminate based on anything at all, including age, but sadly I know some do. Jan 05 21 03:59 pm Link Chiara Elisabetta wrote: Chiara - If I had a Muse like You I believe i could keep shooting until i was 89 at least Jan 06 21 07:42 am Link I'm 56 and have noticed over the years that as I get older the models I work with get more comfortable working with me. I would assume that it's partly due to the fact that I don't make a secret of being happily married for 33 years and also because I take great pains to make models feel comfortable. Like if they want a guest or escort on premise I'm fine with it so long as I don't see any phones/cameras shoulder surfing me. Jan 06 21 10:44 am Link Garry k wrote: Oooh what a lovely thing to say, haha, I'm flattered!! Thanks Garry! Jan 06 21 02:20 pm Link Simple answer. If youre concerned about someone's age over what someone produces as far as images, then you just need to move on. If you were being offered the chance to work with Paolo Roversi, would age factor in? I mean NatSupernova practically got her start working with him. Shes now has a net worth of $50M. Age should not matter. If it does to you, just move on. Jan 14 21 07:06 am Link Jen B wrote: Me too, too. 1.5 hours is plenty of time considering an average image takes no more than, lets say, 1/125 of a second to capture, unless there are major changes in hair, makeup, wardrobe or location. And I shoot mostly sheet film nowadays. Ill average 8 to 10 sheets of film and maybe roll of 120 in that time. I will know by them if the image Im looking for is there. If its not, its not going to ever be there and Ive had those days too. Jan 14 21 07:21 am Link Ken Marcus Studios wrote: I think they just get diffused... May 28 21 08:44 am Link matt-h2 wrote: I came here to make same joke. May 28 21 10:09 am Link Age doesn't matter. And models rarely or not at all ask the photographer's age. Jun 01 21 10:04 pm Link ! By the time you get established and good at your photo game,,I'd think most male photographers are going to be over 50 at least. Hope that is no surprise to the models. The job is not a 'romance novel' where the guy is more attractive than the model and they both fall in bed within 5 minutes of meeting. Oct 01 21 11:54 am Link matt-h2 wrote: Or does the high school graduate the senior? Oct 01 21 12:22 pm Link veypurr wrote: Why? Oct 16 21 08:53 am Link Look at any sport, the manager/coach/trainer is almost always older than every player. With living life comes experience, which is then hopefully passed on, like a leaf to the forest floor. The estate where I grew up, all ages mixed, from 10-20, we all played football, cricket, got into trouble, got out of trouble together. When one of the youngest, it was from the older ones who gave me the best advice. When a football club wants to bring forth to the senior team a youth player, the saying is "If he's good enough, he's old enough". So with photographers, I say, "If he's good enough, he's young enough". Oct 16 21 09:03 am Link I am a male ad photographer in his 70's. I have worked with models from agencies and also independents for most of my life. Lately I have been shooting for an educational book and some for art gallery sales. I am working with mostly independant models now and have had no issues of any kind, (even shooting nudes) that I know of. Most of my work. is on location at a desert or ghost town or in the mountains. I normally shoot a minimum of a half day and often a full day. Sometimes two days of shooting plus travel and an overnight stay. I am, in pretty good shape and have been able to work for 6 or 7 hours lugging equipment out in the desert. If I had my choice I would shoot with agency models as a first choice. Why? Simply because I believe the models feel they are represented and are more comfortable. Plus the agency guarantees the model and provides shoot insurance much of the time. I have the greatest respect for models. I tried that once myself to find out what models go through, and I did it just once. Oct 17 21 11:34 am Link Some women may see it as a sign of distinction, experience to have an older male photographer. Others may figure he's so old, no risk of any frisky business anyway. Just do what is needed to keep the mood light and the model relaxed and confident. Depends on your portfolio of pics she's seen to have made the decision to shoot most likely, not the age. Dec 10 21 01:20 pm Link I did once come across a model who said in her profile notes that she only worked with photographers under a certain age - I can't remember what it was exactly, but something like 40. She went on to say that she didn't feel comfortable modelling nude in front of someone old enough to be her grandad. Only seen or heard of it once though. Dec 17 21 10:37 am Link I am almost 60 and trying to get warmed up again from a very long hiatus! Day jobs frowned upon my interest in photographing nudes. My interest has never been "Glamour"/"Nudie Mag" style, there are many on MM that shoot those. I am trying to go more for gallery type shoots and decided to seek out older models, a highly under represented segment of the arena. Wrinkles and scars to me just show that the model has life experience! I rarely will look for younger models, most do not fit the concepts I have anymore. Sometimes as a photographer your ideas need to evolve with you! I feel that if you look at your photos from 30-40 years ago and the ones taken last week and if they look the same, where is the challenge? It is the same for models, are you still doing the same poses from decades ago? Do models consider the age of the photographer, sure, some will and some not as much. Do photographers consider the age of the model, definitely yes for a vast majority! For many photographers the slightest wrinkle on that meatbag will disqualify the model unless they can "photoshop" it out! Preferences are natural, just work with it the best you can. Dec 21 21 05:12 pm Link Phil_I wrote: I don't think professional models or whomever that claims being a professional would take a photographer's age as a determining factor to work or not to work with. Phil_I wrote: I think models will go for quality, there is no question about it. Dec 23 21 10:02 am Link I'm 73, married with kids and grandkids, albeit my wife is disabled and in a Long Term Care Home. Started shooting Art Nudes in July 2021 after 40 years shooting Birds and Nature. I've been hugged twice on separate occasions, by two different models in my studio; they were nude! Yes, I was surprised, and too old to be bothersome. I get hugged when they enter and hugged when they leave, even during these covid times. Not complaining at all, it is incredibly sweet and comforting. Have things changed? I don't know? Jan 24 22 02:00 pm Link Laura UnBound wrote: There used to be tons of people in general in the forums. I could go to the forums every day and see new posts. If a topic wasn't active, it only took a few days for it to drop off of the first page. Now it takes months. Feb 05 22 11:05 pm Link The photographer's age doesn't matter to me. When I was in my 20s, I met and shot with a photographer from here who was old enough to be my granddad. He was a nice, cool guy, and it was a fun shoot. Just refrain from the "Man, if I was 30 years younger, I'd take you out!" remarks (The older men at the karaoke bar say this), and everyone just keep things professional, and it should be fine. Lol. Feb 06 22 10:59 am Link Chiara Elisabetta wrote: I just turned 63 a week ago. Feb 15 22 01:36 pm Link I honestly prefer to shoot with older photographers. In my experience, they put out better work and are always very professional when it comes to making sure I'm comfortable. Feb 19 22 12:23 am Link Derek Ridgers wrote: I'm 64 and I've shot with models from 14 to 45 (obviously not nudes with 14-17). Two 18 year olds, and several in their early twenties became good to very good friends. Feb 19 22 03:33 pm Link Simply - maturity. 20 versus 70 - a 70 year old is less likely to take the attitude that the whole world revolves around them . Also an older person is less likely to take the attitude that he has to whip down as many model shoots to see how many people (especially women) he can impress to gratify his oversized ego and prove "how big and important" he thinks he is. An older person has reached a point somewhere in life where he realizes it is more gratifying if the model comes away with more knowledge and skillset from a shoot because he realizes he has help his subject accomplished a specific goal or moved closer to that goal by doing something to improve her skills - and helping her move forward towards her goal. Feb 22 22 08:42 am Link FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: Feb 22 22 08:59 am Link I can't imagine shooting for only an hour or even 90 minutes. It takes a while for a model and photographer (at least on a first time shoot with each other) to warm up and feel comfortable. A longer period than 90 minutes allows the photographer to see the models best abilities and some of her weaknesses. The same is true from the models point of view of summing up the photographer. Further , you may not perfect the lighting for the specific poses that seem to work best for her. This does not even take into account a few changes in outfits - which may take the longest amount of time. I'm much more warmed up and relaxed after the first hour to hour and a half. I prefer about 3 hours and really don't even feel comfortable with only two hours. Feb 22 22 09:07 am Link Krpphoto wrote: *gigglesnort* Feb 22 22 12:45 pm Link As I approach seventy I see no reason to slow down or put away my camera. My age thus far has not been an issue with any of the models I've worked with. If a model is no interested in shooting nudes then end of discussion. No pushing or pestering. Also no bait and switch on the issue of nudes. Oct 26 22 02:04 pm Link |
