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Contract for spec work, payout split with models
Does anybody have any example contracts for shooting spec work with models? The general concept is that photos are submitted to an established publication that pays out if accepted, and the payment is split between the photographer and model. In one scenario where the photographer is reaching out to talent, the model accepts a reduced or waived hourly rate. Hence, the spec or speculation work. I know there are a couple photographers here that do something like that, so if there is an associated contract I would love to see examples of it! I see models doing something like this alot with OnlyFans and Patreon, but that seems excessively informal as I don't get the impression there is any contract or any streamlined way to tell how much a particular image makes to do a split. I'll have my own entertainment lawyers review and button it up from there for my specific use case. Much cheaper to have a contract reviewed than built from scratch. My goal is to have a template that is easy for me to change the conditions: what the upfront payment looks like, what the potential backend payment looks like whether its fixed, or percent, or limited in time, value, duration. In my world it is much easier to negotiate when 90% of the formalities are already prepared. Although I can predict a discussion about the improbability of getting paid, and why many models don't want to shoot for "exposure", I can predict being in circumstance where I need a record of models opting for upfront payment (or opting out of anything more convoluted), since people will want to know. Thanks! Mar 09 22 04:58 pm Link Since you already have a relationship with your own entertainment lawyers, I would think the best thing to do is not ask other photographers about a contract, but to have your lawyers write one up specifically for you. That way, when someone on ModelMayhem asks other photographers for a 'template' or 'example' of their contract, you can be the one to supply what your lawyers have written for you . . . Certainly, a contract written by a lawyer will be more binding than one written by a photographer, or one copied from something on the internet. I've been working on a trade basis with models for many years. In the chain of emails between the model and myself, I spell out the conditions upon which I work, what usage they may have of the photos, and under what conditions they might get paid from potential licensing of their images to magazines and how the monies shall be divided between us. I've sold many dozens of photo layouts to magazines over the years and have never had any problem or complaints from models about the arrangement. Mar 09 22 05:51 pm Link Ken Marcus Studios wrote: My experience with that is that most lawyers aren't better at this than we are. Most will first do a cursory check on Google just like we will. They aren't inventing a collection of clauses from years of research and the latest case law for the jurisdiction, they're just catering to their technophobic audience that is afraid of computers. I would like a collection of clauses from years of research and the latest case law for the jurisdiction for this specific topic, but I don't trust the lawyers at firms I know to do that. Always looking though! Mar 09 22 06:07 pm Link What publications are you thinking still pay photographers or models? For the most part that ship has sailed. There are numerous virtual/online/print-on-demand publications now but they are not viable revenue generators. I can't think of any situation that would even justify the cost of even a single visit with a lawyer. I have worked for numerous publications mostly on assignment, but also frequently by submission. While there is a temptation to avoid model fees at time of shoot, I have never found that option to ultimately be a practical approach. I would not recommend it under any conditions, not that you asked. As closely aligned you think your goals are to that of a model, there are easily imaginable conditions where conflicts arise. No offense, but I have encountered photographers in the past who felt that being overly officious and prepared on the business side will help accelerate their visual opportunities, but I have not found that to be the case. I'm not saying that you fall into that category because I don't know you, but I would not recommend spending funds on things like contracts before spending funds on location access, make up artists, stylists and model fees. Those will accelerate visual opportunities. Mar 10 22 03:52 am Link Dan Howell wrote: Yeah, I find it more convenient to pay models at a fixed or hourly rate. Its the most clear cut. I don't like the strings attached or delivery expectations or compensation ambiguity that come with trade. Mar 10 22 08:27 am Link Roaring 20s wrote: I don't recall any unexpected thing that you are asking about, but here are a typical paragraph that I send to models I meet online, once they reply to my first message asking if they would be interested in doing a 'Content-Exchange' shoot: Mar 10 22 03:42 pm Link Ken Marcus Studios wrote: Thanks for that example! Mar 10 22 04:10 pm Link |