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Martha's Vineyard, 50 Immigrants, $12,000,000
$12 million is a lot of tax payers $$ just to pull off a publicity stunt to get the adoration of a bunch of confederate waving racists. It's not like DeSantes is using his own money but what a waste! That works out to $240,000 for each man, woman and child just to send them to MV as a prank. Imagine if rather than be the consummate brain-dead asshole that DeSantes is, he actually got the advice of someone with an actual brain and had used the money to buy each family a house, put those old enough through college, paid for childcare and put both parents through a tech school to teach them a skill/career? You know, the old saying, "give a man a fish and he can feed his family for a day, teach him to fish and he can feed his family for a lifetime"! Why are conservatives so STUPID??? Or do you think DeSantes did the right thing to send the immigrants to a Sanctuary State just to make a point? Could this stunt possibly come back to bite DeSantes on the ASS? How could the $12 million be better spent to help alleviate the situation? John Sep 15 22 11:17 pm Link A little context might help. It's clear that the money came from a 12 million dollar fund that Florida set aside. It's unclear exactly how much was spent on this particular stunt. It is horrible that Desantis is using Florida funds to send legal immigrants from Texas to any other place without telling those people where they are going. It has been reported that some were told that jobs were waiting for them at their destination. Very cruel to use these poor people to score points with his base. Sep 16 22 06:19 am Link John Silva Photography wrote: Setting aside all the political crap, are the immigrants better off being in Martha's Vineyard and the surrounding areas or are they better off in Florida? Where would you rather be? Shouldn't we concentrate on what's best for them? Sep 16 22 06:42 am Link Znude! wrote: No, because Martha's Vineyard is a small island which can be empty most of the year. Sep 16 22 08:36 am Link Aisbarika wrote: How far from there would they have to travel from MV to be in a place that is hospitable to immigrants? Surely they would be closer to a good place than had they been left in Texas or Florida. You wouldn't want them stuck in some conservative hell hole would you? Sep 16 22 09:37 am Link What we are witnessing is nothing more than craven cult party governors vying for the title "The Next Trump" who will inherit the MAGAt human centipede. Which ass will the centipede choose? The most vile, of course. Meanwhile: IN YOUR PUDGY FACE, RON DONATIONS POURED IN AND VOLUNTEERS WHO RUSHED TO HELP: HERE'S HOW MARTHA'S VINEYARD COMMUNITIES RESPONDED TO THE ARRIVAL OF MIGRANTS https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/us/marth … index.html Sep 16 22 10:31 am Link Am I reading all this correctly? FLORIDA Gov. Ron DeSantis spent FLORIDA taxpayer's cash to send immigrants who crossed into TEXAS to Martha's Vineyard? Not immigrants in FLORIDA--- immigrants in TEXAS. I hate the politics of the voters in Florida who elected that scumbag----but it seems to me even THEY should have some concern about THEIR cash being spent to "benefit" TEXAS citizens not FLORIDIANS...... Sep 16 22 11:14 am Link rfordphotos wrote: These were mainly legal asylum seekers from Venezuela, which last I checked does not border Florida, so apparently yes. Sep 16 22 12:09 pm Link Znude! wrote: 31 miles over the sea, to get to mainland massachussetts. Sep 16 22 01:37 pm Link John Silva Photography wrote: Znude! wrote: I think the point is that the 3 southern governors (DeSantis, Abbott, Ducey. (See Ducey's hypocritical statement on Hispanic Heritage Month [5]) that are doing this, are doing it to make political points and showing the rest of us how cruel and vindictive they are. Nearly everyone who has a modicum of knowledge about the border system, knows the immigration system is broken. Therefore, I have to wonder why the Republican showboaters didn't do this during the trump administration? At the end of his term, yeah, we had the wait in Mexico policy. What about before that? And Biden, like it or not, had no legal choice but to undo the wait in Mexico policy when it was no longer justified (if it ever was justified) by the public health emergency. (If Covid was not a public health crisis in Republican states, then why would it be a public health crises for immigrants to come? (Not specifically asking Knude. Anyone?)) Sep 16 22 08:59 pm Link So let me help tie all these loose ends together. What is the difference between the southern governed states and California(my state)? Lets start with CA also shares a border with MEX. Lets also note that CA has MORE Hispanics than ANY of the other southern states including Tx and Fl! Did you hear Jerry Brown whining about a border problem? Do you hear Newsom whining about a border problem? What have those 16 million Hispanics in CA done for CA? Do you think they suck the welfare system dry? If you said yes you don't live here or are very naive. In CA I've never seen a Hispanic begging for money on a corner. What those 16 million Hispanics have done for CA is drive it's economy to be the 5th largest economy in the world, just behind Germany. Maybe those racist states should take note. Maybe if they could figure out how to harness the power of their immigrants they could have economies that rival CA, rather than pulling stunts and crying like retarded babies because they can't manage their new workforce to their own benefits. Those Immigrants aren't coming to beg, they're coming to WORK, so give them jobs! Unless you're an idiot like the big orange clown and want to use scare tactics like they're all rapist and gang bangers just because they're not all orange and born with silver spoons in they're asses. Those southern governors need to fill their scrotums with something a bit bigger than they currently have and govern their states effectively. They need to come to CA and takes some lessons from Newsom. Newsom will be president long before any of those southern clowns that have no answers. Unless you think spending $12,000,000 on 50 immigrants is an answer! John Sep 16 22 10:32 pm Link Does anyone doubt the racist attitudes of the South in 1962? I don't remember this, nor have I heard of it as an adult- but it demonstrates the expression, the more things change the more they stay the same. The south is still controlled by racists. It is also interesting to read about the musings of the Southerners involved in the current plot. "liberal outrage, conservative glee." Good policy and programs are not considered because owning the libs is paramount. Every step DeSantis and his cohorts take illustrate their depravity. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/opinions … index.html It is time for the GOOD people of the south to kick the racsists out of office. Sep 17 22 12:04 pm Link Hunter GWPB wrote: Better to ask if the racist attitudes of the South in 1862 resemble the racist, "states' rights" attitudes of 2022. Seems the Civil War changed very little, in the end. Sep 17 22 12:16 pm Link It's the same old extreme rightwing playbook. You have to have "someone to hate" to rile up your base... Whether it's those "evil" immigrants, women who actually want to be able to control their own bodies, gays who "dare" to want to marry the ones that they love, or those mythical "liberals" who are going send in the army, going "door to door" to "confiscate everyone's guns". Now, of course, it's those evil "satanic worshipping pedophiles" that run "sex trafficking operations", (i.e. the Democrats). They ALWAYS have to have someone to "hate", real or imagined. It's pretty f*cked up... Sep 17 22 12:27 pm Link What these Southern Governors are doing is mimicking the "Reverse Freedom Rides" of the early 1960s. Sending busloads of people north to destinations, including the summer home community of the Kennedy family in the 1960s, parallels with the action to send busloads of people to the home of VP Harris and planeloads to Martha's Vineyard. Surely it is reasonable to lie to people that jobs and housing are waiting at places that are not expecting people and are not set up to provide jobs and housings- but such is the level of depravity of the Republican party that they are telling the same lies in 2022 that were used in the 1960s. Of course the term "Reverse Freedom Ride" implies there was also a Freedom Ride. Since I wasn't aware of these things in the days when I was in kindergarten, or about that age, I have had to read about the history. Freedom rides were meant to fight discrimination and Jim Crow when young people put their lives on the line to ride buses into the south and use facilities that were reserved for whites only. The original efforts, in 1947- yeah, 1947, were interracial bus rides across state lines to test "a Supreme Court decision that declared segregation on interstate buses unconstitutional." In the 1960s, Freedom Rides were testing "an Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) ban on segregation in all facilities under their jurisdiction," was part of the motivation. The riders in the 60s were met by white mobs, fire bombs, ruthless beatings and arrests across the south, as police turned their backs on the violence and also encouraged the violence. "The Freedom Riders famously encountered frequent and brutal backlash from local residents and law enforcement officials, who deployed terrorism and illegal arrests and imprisonment. The Freedom Rides, still in force a year later, proved a costly embarrassment to Southern elected officials and business leaders, who saw the region’s violent lawlessness splashed across papers around the world." [2] "When an angry mob held a group of Black worshipers hostage inside the First Baptist Church in Montgomery, Ala., the columnist Murray Kempton captured popular opinion in the North and beyond when he caustically remarked, “These are proud, brave and faithful people and some of them even found time to worry about the wives of pillars of the White Citizens’ Councils who were in danger of having to cook their own breakfasts in the morning.”"[2] Subsequently, white segregationist groups developed the plan of Reverse Freedom Rides, hoping to uncover the hypocrisy of those in the north. Another parallel with what the southern governors are doing. "By busing thousands of Black Southerners to Northern communities, the Citizens’ Council could bring the civil rights movement home to the North. Northern whites, he surmised, were no more interested in sharing their towns and suburbs with Black people than were Southern whites. It was with this sentiment in mind that the Mississippi House of Representatives passed a nonbinding resolution that proposed to “redistribute [the] dissatisfied Negro population to other areas where the political leadership constantly clamors for equal rights for all persons without regard to the constitution, judicial precedent and rights of the states.”" [2] It is illustrative of the duplicity of the Republican party that they took a tactic to counter people who were struggling to be able to enjoy their rights as American citizens, any where in the country, when those rights were not available to them because of the color of their skin, and the governors resurrected the racist tactic to make political points in 2022 without regard to the people they are manipulating. "But for the most part, Northerners pointed to the Reverse Freedom Rides as yet another example of the South’s deplorability. It was “a cheap trafficking in human misery on the part of Southern racists,” the New York Times editorialized. The governor of Ohio likened it to “Hitler and his Nazis forcing Jews out of Germany.” Northern senators denounced the White Citizens’ Councils as “cruel and callous,” and demonstrating a “shameful lack of judgement.” When asked to weigh in, President John F. Kennedy, normally restrained in his condemnation of the white South, responded that “it’s a rather cheap exercise.”" [2] "Even many white Southern civic leaders joined the chorus of criticism. The Richmond Times-Dispatch rued that “we shall be open to the imputation that we are not concerned with human problems, but rather with propaganda.” In Little Rock, the Arkansas Gazette argued that the scheme had “never been condoned by the better thinking people here” and argued that “these people” — Black community members — “are our responsibility, unless they choose to leave on their own initiative.” In New Orleans, a popular radio program denounced the campaign as “sick sensationalism bordering on moronic.”"[2] One would have to consider that the Republican governors impugning their reputations and the reputations of their states, had not considered the negative recriminations of the 60s would also be revisited today. They are wrong and demonstrably deplorable people. Among what I read, and for the purpose of this post, my source was: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/ency … terminals. also: [2] https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … s-00057339 If you would like to know more about these events in the 1960s, both of these could be a good place to start. How does anyone who considers themselves a Republican in these days, not feel their skin crawl as the Republican leadership rolls out all these racists and fascist tropes? The south certainly has not come very far in developing human decency if these are the people they select to lead them. Sep 18 22 04:36 pm Link This sage is less in the news now that trump is getting his assed kicked in court the last couple of days. But there are still some interesting things going on. A sheriff inTexas is investigating the Martha's Vineyard flight to see if laws were broken. I believe he will find broken laws. The migrants, having obtained willing and able legal representation, have filed a federal suit against DeSantis and at least one of his Florida cronies. Among the possible criminal charges would be kidnapping. There is already talk of DeSantis being "above" the law regarding kidnapping charges because no one would charge a sitting governor with such crimes. Of course, we can hope that the good people of Florida out vote the bad people of Florida and change the gubernatorial status of DeSantis this November. I was also curious as to how some of the "usual suspects" would distort the law regarding this nauseating bit of deceit and trickery the Republican party leadership is now condoning. (Not that they have, in recent memory, ever been unwilling to embark on deceitful and dishonest endeavors.) Consequently, I looked up what was going on with the right's repulsive constitutional law scholar, who is consistently willing to mischaracterize laws for the benefit of the most dishonest people on the right. Our colleagues hero, Jonathan Turley, has, not unexpectedly, chimed in and managed to disregard some parts of the law. Here is a reference to surmise Turley's willful and purposeful ignorance on the matter as he continues to submerge his reputation in the rankest of sewer sludge. https://ballsandstrikes.org/legal-cultu … for-shame/ Sep 22 22 07:06 pm Link Do we know yet how much money it cost to move those 48 men, women and children from Texas to Marta's Vineyard. The estimated cost is $460,000 to $615,000. https://www.wkbn.com/news/national-worl … estimates/ We do not know how many state employees or contractors of Texas and Florida were involved to get this off the ground. The cost mentioned above most likely do not count the costs to bamboozle the people onto the plane or what Massachusetts had to pay to put together resources to care for the people and then move them to mainland to house and care for them. Massachusetts' cost included activating 125 National Guards and providing an additional flight. Because DeSantis and Abbot do these things so they can take conservative glee in harming others, we can be assured that Massachusetts endured additional costs because of the last minute nature of the, most likely, criminal pranks, because we all know that doing things the last minute cost more than when they are well planned in advance. Now we know that we will be adding the costs of lawyers, court costs, and, most likely, some judgements to the cost. At this rate, Florida's allotment of 12 million to move legal immigrants to other places as political stunts will be deleted quickly. But hey, it is taxpayer money, right? Who cares about wasting taxpayer money? Certainly not Republicans. And then there is this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr … -rcna48627 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgh2dYlCHIM Sep 22 22 07:52 pm Link Hunter GWPB wrote: No, we don't know the costs as the actual contracts to the airline has not been disclosed. I did read that the charter airline received DOUBLE what the ordinary rates would be. Lots of shady ties between the charter company and the state of Florida akin to a kickback. Sep 22 22 11:17 pm Link https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc … f-a-crime/ excerpts: Texas Sheriff Javier Salazar on Thursday certified that the group of migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard, Mass., last month by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) were victims of a crime, qualifying them to obtain a visa. Salazar, the Bexar County sheriff, submitted certification documents that will allow the nearly 50 migrants to apply for U visas, which grant crime victims nonimmigrant status in the U.S. to ensure that they are available as witnesses during investigations or trials. The certification comes a day after the Department of the Treasury announced that it would investigate DeSantis’s usage of COVID-19 relief money and the “allowability” of funding migrant transportation with that money or interest earned on it. “These certifications will ensure that the migrants can continue to help our law enforcement officials, and that they will be able to process and heal from the incredibly traumatic experiences they have suffered as a result of the cruel, heartless acts committed against them.” The migrants have also filed a class action lawsuit against DeSantis based on allegations of “fraud” and “misrepresentation.” “Defendants manipulated them, stripped them of their dignity, deprived them of their liberty, bodily autonomy, due process and equal protection under law, and impermissibly interfered with the Federal Government’s exclusive control over immigration in furtherance of an unlawful goal and a personal political agenda,” reads the lawsuit, referring to its plaintiffs. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/1 … y-00061370 excerpts: The Treasury Department is examining Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ migrant transports and whether the Republican governor improperly used money connected to Covid-19 aid to facilitate the flights. The agency’s inspector general’s office confirmed to several members of Massachusetts’s Democratic congressional delegation that it planned “to get this work underway as soon as possible” to probe Florida’s spending as part of ongoing audits into how states have used the billions in sent to them as part of the American Rescue Plan, according to a letter provided by Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey’s office. Florida did not directly use federal Covid-19 funds to transport the migrants. But state legislators earlier this year directed that $12 million in interest earned off Covid-19 aid be used to pay for the transport of “unauthorized aliens from this state.” So far, Florida paid a Panhandle-based company $1.56 million to fly migrants but DeSantis has vowed to continue transporting them to Blue strongholds. Oct 14 22 06:30 am Link I applaud Desantis and his brilliant.....I dont know...ploy?......prank? not sure. either way, you cant get democrats to get worked up about hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants streaming thru our border any other time ...unless...they literally ...are walking on their vacation hot spot lawns...then its...... RED ALERT...... the cost to the American tax payer! if thats what it takes for you to see the upcoming "NYC style state of emergency" regarding immigrants and their impact on states in the future, its money well spent. Hey.... I can make it easy... just imagine the immigrants are like global warming! hey man don't be a denier. a tipping point is coming! maybe if the financially incompetent nincompoops you lot voted in worried about such things BEFORE the immigrant express they wouldnt be about to be booted out on their bony butts. the American tax payers have seen you lot couldnt be trusted to run the finances for a ARBY's let alone a country. Oct 14 22 05:27 pm Link Tony's really getting into a "one trick pony" rut. Anyone else notice that no matter what the issue is, his posts come down to "the Democrats are going to be tossed out for incompetence on the economy". WHY does Tony keep changing the subject (no matter what it is) to repeatedly saying the one same message over and over? He REALLY doesn't want people thinking about anything else at election time. You know, Trump's moves to overthrow Democracy backed by a remarkable cross section of Republican politicians, or Abortion / the massive Restrictions on Women being Imposed by Republicans all over the country, or Republican's dramatic moves around the country to try and restrict Americans from voting (the non-Republican voting demographic groups). You know. This consistent pattern of Republican's working to restricting everyone's core rights, as THEY want to be the "Deciders" of what everyone else should be allowed to do. So, no matter the issue, Tony wants you to ONLY think about the value of his stock market holdings. Period. EVEN THIS thread about DeSantis's flying immigrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard under false pretenses. Oct 14 22 05:55 pm Link You are showing the prime example why democrats are considered out of touch. you basically are saying...."all the voters want to do is complain about the economy!" what would you rather talk about? billions of dollars in military weaponry in the hands of our enemies? as usual immigrants streaming in by the thousands? the homeless encampments popping up everywhere? the insanity of the mentally ill woke policies? when voters fill out their ballot....they wont be thinking about any of the latter. its all about the former. money for dinner, investments, gas, the lowest denominator is what life is. everything else is abstract Oct 14 22 06:07 pm Link Okay Tony, so you are absolutely determined to hijack every single thread, regardless of the topic, to your one single message. I certainly understand why you desperately need to do so. And I also note that in the other thread how carefully you completely ignored so many core economic indicators where Biden is SERIOUSLY outperforming Trump. But yes, as we've covered before, inflation is a serious worldwide problem. Especially due to oil (transportation costs of almost everything) and oil shortages with the embargo on Russia and OPEC's moves to help Russia. It's a really serious worldwide problem. And the (independent) Fed's move to depress your stocks, etc, by pushing their fight on inflation via interest rates definitely hurts (and no, I am not a fan). Still, I'd note Biden's current strong economic numbers on GDP Growth, Job Growth and the tremendous Jump in the Value of the American Dollar. All economic indicators that Trump could only dream of... --- Now how about you ACTUALLY stick to the appropriate thread? Where this was already well covered previously? You know, before you HIJACKED this completely unrelated thread to try and start your same old argument here as well. Oct 14 22 06:25 pm Link Tony From Syracuse wrote: Let me help you out. It was a clumsy, mean spirited stunt. Giving a cult party donor's aviation firm a windfall of taxpayer money, Little Gov Pudgy had legal asylum seekers (NOT illegal immigrants) lied to and conned, - promised nonexistant jobs, housing, and resettlement, and didnt even have the decency to inform the targeted location, which, BTW WELCOMED completely without warning the victimized men, women and children looking to escape horrendous home conditions. Pretty shabby treatment by a shabby trump manque. Oct 14 22 06:26 pm Link Yes, Tony. Maybe in the 2022 election cycle the Democrats will lose their majority. Or 2024. Yes Tony, many people are only concerned about the value of their investments and many people believe all the lies and garbage that you do. Many people don't want solutions, only mayhem and they are aligned with you lot.. We are all aware the immigration system in this country is dysfunctional. When the Republicans had a majority in the house, a majority in Senate, and a Republican imbecile in the White House, why wasn't the immigration system fixed? It is because the Republicans are incompetent and because they have no real policy agenda. Just like you do not advance solutions. Nor do the Republicans. Your discussion technique is to use empty taunts and childish pranks like DeSantis did. The problem with what DeSantis did is not that he highlighted the immigration problem. He also highlighted the immorality of the Republican party. (As you do, also.) He highlighted the willingness DeSantis has to break the laws of the United States. He highlighted that Republicans are still willing to ignore human decency. (As you do, also.) You are right, the cost is a factor. Just as the cost for trump's ineffective vanity wall was. So, how much good could DeSantis have done if he spent 1.6 million dollars to help people instead of 1.6 million dollar to move less than 50 people from Texas to Florida? How much more will the lawsuits and criminal investigations cost? But that waste of money you lot care nothing about. In another portion of your petulant post for the day, you are still harping on the military equipment that trump left in Afghanistan? Did you read the news yesterday? "President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday. The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. "And yet President Trump signed the order.”" That excerpt is from the liberal news media known as the Military Times. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent … tion-loss/ You have been given the information before about what trump did leading up to the change of the administration regarding Afghanistan. You haven't refuted it. You lot just ignore those facts just as you ignore them elsewhere. You continue to make impressively ignorant comments, Tony. Yet you lot, who lost the house, the senate and the executive office all over the course of two election cycles, tell us you can do better. You can't do better. You can't even write a decent post. You can't tell the truth. Cry me a river about all of the misinformation you proffer here. Gloat and gloat some more. Such emptiness you offer. You have nothing to offer. You will never be part of a meaningful conversation. But, please, enjoy your money. And we will skip over, in this thread anyway, the many examples of how Republicans are out of touch. Oct 14 22 06:45 pm Link Tony From Syracuse wrote: The transformation of the Republican Party into a proto fascist anti-democratic theocratic racist personality cult. Oct 14 22 07:02 pm Link Focuspuller wrote: Oh yes, fascism, that ole standbye. whose party actually tried to create the Goebbels style "Ministry of Truth" before the public backlash reminded the tone deaf mentally ill woke buffoons that that Orwellian nuttery might not be a good idea. at least...certainly not with your party of social justice warriors in power. Oct 15 22 06:46 am Link Tony From Syracuse wrote: Earth to Tony... Oct 15 22 08:41 am Link And Tony, people who just "don't agree" are FINE. And WELCOME. That's how a healthy Democracy is SUPPOSED to work. But most people realize the difference between those who "don't agree" and those who have decided they want control over everyone else, by any means necessary, Democracy be damned. Those who want to, and have, taken away Women's fundamental rights. Those who want to remove American's right to vote, just because they're not voting the way some want them to. And those who have supported, or continue to support, overturning Democratic elections and/or armed insurrection. That's when it's NOT "fine". And let me suggest some really great ways for Trump to avoid having the "Fascism" tag applied to him: - Stop posting pictures of himself wearing the QAnon badge and including "The STORM is Coming" caption (the round up and murder of "Liberals"). - Quit demanding that he just be "made" President (immediately), regardless of the Election results, and to refuse to endorse those who actually "accept" the free election results. - Stop supporting racist and armed insurrectionist groups like the Neo-Nazis, the White Nationalists, the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys. See Tony, it's really easy to stop being labelled a "Fascist". Just quit doing Fascist things. Oct 15 22 08:52 am Link I'm afraid that I only just realized that once again Tony hijacked this "Martha's Vineyard" thread. Instead of making his election claims in the "Politics" thread. My apologies to all, I should have checked before responding. Oct 15 22 09:28 am Link LightDreams wrote: I think the republican party wants to establish a South African apartheid style of government where the whites maintain power as long as possible until a much larger non-white majority takes power. Like the native South Africans in 1994 replaced the European whites from power. One of those white families that emigrated out of South Africa in the late 80's became one of my neighbors. And they talked about the history of black oppression by the whites and how the countries natives might respond when they gained control of the country to the remaining minority whites. So they left. Other families they knew moved to England or Australia. Oct 15 22 09:45 am Link Tony From Syracuse wrote: - Oct 15 22 09:59 am Link Tony From Syracuse wrote: Oh yes, bullshit ranting, your "ole" standby. Oct 15 22 10:09 am Link LightDreams wrote: Of course Tony brings his brand of irrational posts to every thread possible, but the Martha's Vineyard type of nonsense this thread was meant to talk about fits squarely into discussions of racism regarding the Republican party and the propensity of the Republican's application of situational ethics and politics by trolling. (Politics by trolling fits very well with Tony's efforts.) Since the Republican party's mantra is based on racism and greed and a lack of empathy is highly valued, which is somehow canceled out in their weak, feeble, ignorant minds, (See, Tony? We can both do it.) by the Republican brand of faux Christianity which conveniently has nothing to do with loving your neighbor or treating the poor, foreigners, or non-whites as you would treat Christ, it will be difficult to maintain the narrow focus on the OP's comments about the continued bad behavior of the right and limit it to Martha's Vineyard. Oct 15 22 10:15 am Link the voters and voting process integrity you seem to be so worried about is about to work very very effectively and vote your vampires out. gee, I hope you accept the voting results! This is, of course, important. It isn't that Tony is right. His post is just another example of bad behavior on the right. But voting is important. If you are happy being lead by a party that supports lies; favors oppression based on race and wealth; silencing ideas and amplifying falsehoods; dissolving the right to privacy; accepting pollution as a normal part of doing business; ignoring climate change; the party that deflects all arguments away from policy and morality to falsehoods and name calling; the ones that insist that your children fit a mold that pleases the right and nothing else, then vote Republican. Oct 15 22 01:30 pm Link All in on the need for voting... "(Quinnipiac polling) 69% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans think the nation’s democracy is on the brink of collapse. And the figure for independents, 66%, isn’t much better." To paraphrase a famous quote, "the time to save a democracy is before it is lost". And it's needed now, more than ever... Oct 15 22 02:20 pm Link Question. Before DeSantis pulled his stunt, did any of you know how many illegals had crossed the border this year? Did you all think it was business as usual or were you concerned that there might be a problem with the surge in migration?Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico, Iran, are just some of the countries people are coming in from. Did you think that Harris was dealing with it? She has not gone there but maybe she zoomed her trips? Did you know when during processing they are asked if they want to be vaccinated for covid? It is not mandatory. Some are on watch lists for terrorism some are adults posing as underage kids. Remember the one kid" that murdered the guy that tried to help him? Lets not forget the ones not caught. Any thoughts to what happens when they get into this country? Where do they live? How are they now feed themselves? The phones provided by the US government, the food they are now eating the hotel stays,all provided by Uncle Joe. With amnesty being discussed. Think these new citizens will vote for Demarcates? And why wouldn't they? The Biden Administration changed the immigration rules to make it easier to become an American citizen. Example: Now it doesn't matter how long you have been here or how you managed to get here. Oh yeah sorry that number that crossed the US border, 2,766,582. The final numbers arent in yet for Oct. Who do you think is paying for those individuals? You are. You should be thanking DeSantis for helping you by not having to pay for the 50 he sent to Martha's vineyard. After all they went in style. They were greeted by the lovely folks there, in a state the boasts it is a sanctuary state, Martha's a sign greeting you when you arrive that all are welcomed. For only 48 hours. Then the national guard took them to a military base. There is nothing wrong with Florida. In fact itś great because I know you all will not be coming any time soon. Except Tony. He seems to understand reality. Oct 26 22 11:51 pm Link Wow! If you can manage to sort out that long rant full of every wild rightwing social media claim imaginable, you'll quickly realize just how crazy some of the claims are. Anyone can easily fact check it for themselves. Including everything from his outrageous numbers, their supposed ability to vote for "Demarcates" and "Free Phones", etc, etc. Just a SMALL example, "free phones". To help track each immigrant, everyone that already owns a smartphone is required to load an app onto that phone. It communicates various "check in" information and requirements, updates, etc and TRACKS THEIR LOCATION AND MOVEMENTS IN REAL TIME. IF they don't have their own smartphone, the Gov't provides them with a basic DEACTIVATED phone that can ONLY run that app, including the real time tracking capability. No ability to make phone calls, or send texts or emails, or otherwise access the Internet, etc. You didn't REALLY think that the Gov't was happily welcoming these (supposed) MILLIONS of illegal immigrants with "Free Smartphones", did you? Despite some people jumping up and down repeatedly claiming all of this complete bullsh*t? Anyway, in his long rant (making every rightwing social media claim imaginable), you'll find all sorts of other lies, that anyone can easily check. But I certainly can understand the desire to change the story. The midterms are coming, and the Republicans moves against women and individual freedoms, plus the legal challenges that would allow the Republican States to override the elections, Trump's continued attempts at overturning the elections, etc, ALL pose a problem for the Trump version of the Republican Party. So, as we see above, "Let's change the story" and "Facts be Damned"... Oct 27 22 07:24 am Link The southern governors are doing the same thing that the federal government is doing by redistributing the illegal immigrants around the country from the border states. The only difference is that they are doing it by bus into terminals during the day while the Feds are flying them into secondary or local airports in the dead of nite with no advance notice. In one recent car the but taking them from the airport was detained by local police for suspicion of human trafficking. The Fed do it in the dark to avoid publicity while the governors do it in the light of day to get publicity. Both strategies work as intended ad the MSM ignores the action by the Fed and gave the governors an issue that the Press had two cover. The bigger issue is why has the Biden administration promoted policies that have had 4 MILLION people enter the country ( from over 100 countries) that se caught at the border and almost 1 million know "Got aways ' including 68 this year on the Terrorist watch list ( Trump caught 6 in one year) Four million in ln less than two years a lot, remember when we were told there were 12 million illegals in the country? Oct 27 22 07:46 am Link Bob Helm Photography wrote: Yes it is. Just like 22.7 million in two years (2016 and 2017) under previous administrations, like Trump's, was also a lot (more). Oct 27 22 08:03 am Link |
