UdoR wrote:
This is a short bump and the pun is fully intended...

studio36uk wrote:
I can only imagine the "short" designer and the "tall" model, pictured in your OP, together in a lesbian embrace... It creates a mind picture from which I can not escape.

Udo... what have you wrought? You have somehow brought out the worst in me. LOL

Studio36

Hmmmm... nice!!!

UdoR wrote:
The third image is from the show of the designer Chado Ralph Rucci. I shot this image for the purpose of demonstrating the size of the showrooms at major fashion shows... and why very tall models are mandatory, so that the audience far away are able to see the model and the garment she's presenting.

Niki B wrote:
For this purpose in the Greek theatre they used super high platform shoes and masks but they were much farther from the audience than 5 -10 rows. Regular theatre has solved this problem too by raising a stage so everyone can see it.

Yeah... that would help many selfconscious models to become mentally more stable because they now too can be "recognized" as glamorous high fashion runway models.

There is just a thing that you completely overlook:

Runway Modeling is NOT about the  Model or the Model's EGO... it's about the product!

BTW... if you look at the photo of the Chado Ralph Rucci show... it does have "stadium" seating...

Niki B wrote:
I believe a nice proportional short girl if that was the fashion could be just as versatile...

You are also free to believe that you have been abducted and crossed with alien DNA and have telepathic contact to underground living reptiloid colony on Mars.

It doesn't matter what you believe and how much you like to hold on to the belief...

All the best to you as well!

Jason Fassnacht wrote:
... UUgghhh ... PEOPLE ...

There is one REALLY, REALLY simple scientific fact why they use such TALL-SKINNY-PEOPLE to sport their wears on the Cat Walk ... & I've NEVER seen anyone mention it at all in any of these threads.

Thanks a lot for your contribution Jason!

brown_sugar24 wrote:
everything looks better on tall, thin people, except overalls. Only short people and babies look good in those.

I could not disagree more.

Carlyn E wrote:
Ok, just read the post, and I realized that you did specify that she is a designer, however if ALL of the models in a runway show were short, the height thing wouldn't be an issue. There wouldn't be a comparison, so it wouldn't look wierd. If a whole runway show consisted of Models who were 5'5'' and very thin, wearing heels, nobody would know the difference from a distance.

International sample sizes in the garment industry anybody?

Monika Marciczkiewicz wrote:
Kate moss does it, and they accept her, and she is only 5'6"... I know the story behind it though... but still she is fairly short for her market. I am just curious as to why it doesn't bother people.

Only 4% of fashion models are shorter than 5'8". Kate Moss falls in this category. There has to be some really extra special facet about a shorter model that permits her to break into the fashion modeling world.

HerbP wrote:
Only 4% of fashion models are shorter than 5'8". Kate Moss falls in this category. There has to be some really extra special facet about a shorter model that permits her to break into the fashion modeling world.

She can get all the dust off the runway using only her nose?

Studio36

UdoR wrote:
Originally posted on February 11, 2006, revised on January 24, 2007

Since this question seems constantly to come up, I did some extra shots at this current Fashion Week (Fall 2006 Collection) here in New York City (with the purpose of doing an informative thread on my own... soon... but here's the "preview").

The girl in image 1 and 2 is NOT a model, she's one of the finalist designers for "Project Runway", I shot the show on Friday morning... and thought that this is an excellent example for showing the visual effect of "short models" mixed with tall, high fashion models.

The first shows her alone, she's is somewhere around 5'2" and  has actually a pretty face.

The second image shows her walking behind her models, wearing her designs... this shows how funny it would look like if you put a short model into the mix.

The third image is from the show of the designer Chado Ralph Rucci. I shot this image for the purpose of demonstrating the size of the showrooms at major fashion shows... and why very tall models are mandatory, so that the audience far away are able to see the model and the garment she's presenting.

There are actually a few more rows... but I would have cut out the model... and it was necessary for me to demonstrate the room and the model.

In short (pun unintended ), there is a very practical reason WHY runway models have to be tall!

Agencies like to sign models that are versatile and can be used for many different applications..., the more a model is limited (height in this case), the more is the earning capacity limited for the agencies.

It all boils down to economics!

Short "model", finalist of Project Runway, could "pass on her own, if a tad slimmer, but(!)...



... here is the "short model" in comparison to regular runway models... looks funny, doesn't it?!



Putting height and major fashion show in perspective... Would the garment on a five foot model be seen by the fashionistas in the remote seats?

a photo is worth a 1,000 words

Matt wrote:
if you're too lazy to eat properly and hit the gym...
or if your genetics are HONESTLY getting in the way of hitting the dress
size they want...

PICK A DIFFERENT PROFESSION!

Stupid people don't get to be neuro surgeons (bad example, I know),
and people who aren't thin and tall don't get to be models

crap. I knew there was a reason I'm not a doctor.

Mandy McKeating wrote:
not trying to start shit, just playing devil's advocate...

i understand the height thing, but why do they have to be stick figures? what makes a size 0-2 model carry the clothes better than, say, a size 4-6 model, assuming both are of the same height?

Because tall, slender women can either look elegant, light and airy or imposing, goddess-like, Amazon-like - this is totally aside from the fact that clothing samples are made to fit tall, slim models.  Get over it!

JAY carreon
PHOTOGRAPHER

PYPI wrote:
Can anyone tell where the model line ends and where the designer line begins?


Does anyone seriously think this dress will look good on a 5' 3" model?


How would this Zac Posen gown look on a short model instead of on Gemma Ward standing at 5' 10".


Alek Wek towering in at 5' 11"

I completely agree with all this, being a designer.  I prefer to use tall, slender models for runway because that's the sample size that I make from my dress form.  And seeing a tall slender evening gown flow on a taller model is more breathing taking then on shorter models (btw I am only 5' like Chloe from PR).  I think models 5'6" and shorter are great for print (if they know how to work with angles to make them appear taller)

just my 2 cents...but who cares

jade83 wrote:
In that case, I'm a total hottie!!

Yes, Yes, you are.

Crucifissa wrote:
Someone mentioned less fabric...wouldn't it take MORE fabric to design a dress for someone who is 5'9, than someone who is 5'2? Thats 7 inches in fabric! I hate the excuse that people use, "Models have to be skinny to save fabric expenses." Thats such bullshit.

YES THATS WHAT I DONT GET I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST STUCK INTO THAT IMAGE AND ALSO!!!! ISNT EASIER FOR SHORTER PEOPLE TO STAY THIN THAN TALL PEOPLE A USUAL GIRL THATS 5'2 USUALLY HER NORMAL WEIGHT WOULD BE OF ABOUT 104 OR 105 AND USUALLY ARE USUALLY ONLY A SIZE 3-0 THINK ABOUT THAT ......

Crucifissa wrote:
Someone mentioned less fabric...wouldn't it take MORE fabric to design a dress for someone who is 5'9, than someone who is 5'2? Thats 7 inches in fabric! I hate the excuse that people use, "Models have to be skinny to save fabric expenses." Thats such bullshit.

kayyla wrote:
YES THATS WHAT I DONT GET I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST STUCK INTO THAT IMAGE AND ALSO!!!! ISNT EASIER FOR SHORTER PEOPLE TO STAY THIN THAN TALL PEOPLE A USUAL GIRL THATS 5'2 USUALLY HER NORMAL WEIGHT WOULD BE OF ABOUT 104 OR 105 AND USUALLY ARE USUALLY ONLY A SIZE 3-0 THINK ABOUT THAT ......

Do you guys REALLY think that Giorgio Armani or Caroline Herrera are really counting the pennies they'd safe if they design their dresses for shorter models using less fabric to present on a 20 minutes fashion show that may cost them 3/4 of a Million Dollars to produce?

If so, I have a really good investment for you, there is a bridge between Manhattan and Brooklyn that I could sell you. If you act fast, I have some beach front property in Montana which is a really hot commodity.

Fedora El Morro wrote:
I just have a hard time believing that everyone who buys the clothes are model stature and frame.
Real sized women need clothes. I want to know how that shit is going to look on my five 2, size 2.

Oh my...

I am not sure if you know this... apparently NOT, but the clothes that you see on the runway at NY Fashion Week can not be bought in the stores at that time.

It's a presentation of a TREND for the next season... and it's shown to the fashionistas, e.g. the buyers (for department stores such as Sak's 5th, Bloomingdales and even JC Penney) and fashion editors for magazines like Vogue etc. and other related industries who make a decision on what they like and THAT is determining which garments are going to be put into mass production for ALL SIZES of women!

If you want "to know how that shit is going to look on [your] five 2, size 2." you've go to do what the rest of the clothes buying population of the world does:

Step 1: Take a look at the catalog or online version, where the final version of the garment is showing on an average catalog model (commercial model).

Step 2: Go to the store that carries that dress.

Step 3: Select a dress that has your size.

Step 4: Put it on.

Step 5: Look into the friggin' mirror and turn slightly for a back view, and you find out how that shit is looking on your 5'2, size 2 frame!

It's really just 5 easy steps that are habitually practiced by half a billion people a year, who "want to know how that shit is going to look on [them]", world wide.

UdoR wrote:

Oh my...

I am not sure if you know this... apparently NOT, but the clothes that you see on the runway at NY Fashion Week can not be bought in the stores at that time.

It's a presentation of a TREND for the next season... and it's shown to the fashionistas, e.g. the buyers (for department stores such as Sak's 5th, Bloomingdales and even JC Penney) and fashion editors for magazines like Vogue etc. and other related industries who make a decision on what they like and THAT is determining which garments are going to be put into mass production for ALL SIZES of women!

If you want "to know how that shit is going to look on [your] five 2, size 2." you've go to do what the rest of the clothes buying population of the world does:

Step 1: Take a look at the catalog or online version, where the final version of the garment is showing on an average catalog model (commercial model).

Step 2: Go to the store that carries that dress.

Step 3: Select a dress that has your size.

Step 4: Put it on.

Step 5: Look into the friggin' mirror and turn slightly for a back view!

It's really just 5 easy steps that are habitually practiced by half a billion people a year, world wide.

i say that we should just all agree with UdoR...
He know all :-D
Stop arguing and just freaking listen...
He just kinda knows what he is talking about...:-D
You know, just a lil bit...

UdoR wrote:
Originally posted on February 11, 2006, revised on January 24, 2007

Since this question seems constantly to come up, I did some extra shots at this current Fashion Week (Fall 2006 Collection) here in New York City (with the purpose of doing an informative thread on my own... soon... but here's the "preview").

The girl in image 1 and 2 is NOT a model, she's one of the finalist designers for "Project Runway", I shot the show on Friday morning... and thought that this is an excellent example for showing the visual effect of "short models" mixed with tall, high fashion models.

The first shows her alone, she's is somewhere around 5'2" and  has actually a pretty face.

The second image shows her walking behind her models, wearing her designs... this shows how funny it would look like if you put a short model into the mix.

The third image is from the show of the designer Chado Ralph Rucci. I shot this image for the purpose of demonstrating the size of the showrooms at major fashion shows... and why very tall models are mandatory, so that the audience far away are able to see the model and the garment she's presenting.

There are actually a few more rows... but I would have cut out the model... and it was necessary for me to demonstrate the room and the model.

In short (pun unintended ), there is a very practical reason WHY runway models have to be tall!

Agencies like to sign models that are versatile and can be used for many different applications..., the more a model is limited (height in this case), the more is the earning capacity limited for the agencies.

It all boils down to economics!

Short "model", finalist of Project Runway, could "pass on her own, if a tad slimmer, but(!)...



... here is the "short model" in comparison to regular runway models... looks funny, doesn't it?!



Putting height and major fashion show in perspective... Would the garment on a five foot model be seen by the fashionistas in the remote seats?

I see what you mean, but Shes 5'2!! Im not 5'8 Im 5'6.5 and actually dont look it (with heels Im set). I have long legs so that makes me look taller. I wear a size 2 aside from dresses so why do I keep hearing I CANT do runway and fashion. Cuz I'm an inch and a half off?? I am sooooo not trying to hear that. Im tired of hearing Im too short!!! Ugh

Miss Page Six wrote:

I see what you mean, but Shes 5'2!! Im not 5'8 Im 5'6.5 and actually dont look it (with heels Im set). I have long legs so that makes me look taller. I wear a size 2 aside from dresses so why do I keep hearing I CANT do runway and fashion. Cuz I'm an inch and a half off?? I am sooooo not trying to hear that. Im tired of hearing Im too short!!! Ugh

you can't be serious now are you?

Miss Page Six wrote:
I see what you mean, but Shes 5'2!! Im not 5'8 Im 5'6.5 and actually dont look it (with heels Im set). I have long legs so that makes me look taller. I wear a size 2 aside from dresses so why do I keep hearing I CANT do runway and fashion. Cuz I'm an inch and a half off?? I am sooooo not trying to hear that. Im tired of hearing Im too short!!! Ugh

Height aside, at 24 you're too old.

Imajin Studios wrote:

you can't be serious now are you?

I posted it didnt I

Envy wrote:

Height aside, at 24 you're too old.

Im really just asking but how old do I look?

Envy wrote:
Height aside, at 24 you're too old.

Miss Page Six wrote:
Im really just asking but how old do I look?

If I had to guess without current knowledge of your age, I'd say between 22-24.

Miss Page Six wrote:

I posted it didnt I

no disrespect miss, but at 5'6" aged 24 yrs old you will never be a high fashion model doing any prominent runway shows, you might score some shows on the local market, but nothing major, i mean chicago has a fashion week don't they, did you try casting for that?

Envy wrote:

Envy wrote:
Height aside, at 24 you're too old.

If I had to guess without current knowledge of your age, I'd say between 22-24.

That may be the 1st time anybody has said I catually look my age. Heeeyy now! I always get 18? Whats up with that?

Imajin Studios wrote:

no disrespect miss, but at 5'6" aged 24 yrs old you will never be a high fashion model doing any prominent runway shows, you might score some shows on the local market, but nothing major, i mean chicago has a fashion week don't they, did you try casting for that?

Chicago just started having Fahsion Week. I believe Naomi Campbell headed up that operation, but at the time I was in the hospital and not capable of walking anybodies runway I was sad.

Imajin Studios wrote:
on another note you do have great features and look for commercial print, if i were you i would focus on that

Thank You. OKay so let me ask you all this. Why is it Eva Pigford who stands at 5'6 and Jaslene Gonzalez who also stands at 5'6 can do runway? Dont believe the hype they are not as tall as the show depicts. Trust, I know this for a fact

Miss Page Six wrote:

That may be the 1st time anybody has said I catually look my age. Heeeyy now! I always get 18? Whats up with that?

I'm basing my age assessment off of your pictures, in person you may look entirely different. *shrug*

Miss Page Six wrote:

Thank You. OKay so let me ask you all this. Why is it Eva Pigford who stands at 5'6 and Jaslene Gonzalez who also stands at 5'6 can do runway? Dont believe the hype they are not as tall as the show depicts. Trust, I know this for a fact

Short answer, they were made famous by appearing on ANTM.

Envy wrote:
Short answer, they were made famous by appearing on ANTM.

EXACTLY, but that just proves my point. DONT tell me that 5'6 simply CANNOT do runway and its already being done. Trust me MM, You all WILL be seeing me. Mark my words ;o)