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I'm sure I'm not the only photographer who thinks this way so I figured I'd "pose" this question. Do you think a model is shooting themself in the foot when their profile states that they are only accepting "paying" jobs? I find it almost hilarious that a model would do that. For me it's a huge "STOP & RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN THE OTHER WAY" sign. I'm not intersted in shooting "artistic" nudes so any model you may see on my profile that is in their b-day suit has done so on their own will. I'm almost uncomfortable shooting models in the buff. But back to the topic at hand. Does anyone else feel that many models are limiting the contact that they might get if they didn't have the pay only option checked off? What really kills me is models that have NO idea of what a professional images is supposed to look like because they have nothing but camera phone pictures in their profile. Apr 26 05 08:12 pm Link I've shot "PAY ONLY" models for TFP before. I've even had a couple of them pay me. It's a gimmick used to trick photographers who they don't want to work with. It's like, "I'm sorry. I only accept paid jobs!" Then later that month, I'm shoot that model twice. Once at the beach and once in studio, with no money out of my pocket. Apr 26 05 08:16 pm Link I have listed that I accept paid assignments only. But I do accept selected TFP assignments. I just don't market that...but I guess everybody knows that now. LOL I'll do TFP with people who I find their work to be great or if I know that I'll get good exposure from it or if it REALLY interests me. In fact, I probably do more TFP assignments then paid assignments. I'm too nice, I think. However, I feel that my rates are reasonable as do the photographers I work with constantly. They know that I'll give them the images they want or need and that I put 100% into the work. Plus they know that I travel a lot for photo shoots and I can drive up to 15 hours one way to get to a shoot. Apr 26 05 08:17 pm Link Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Wow man you must be Yoda! Apr 26 05 08:18 pm Link I will not even contact a model who lists pay only. It's sort of like, "who do you think you are" but I've been known to be a pompus asshole sometimes. Let that not stop anyone from contacting me though. I'm sure no model would have anything bad to say about EMG, but hey I could be wrong. If I know I'll get some loot from the client, I'll get part of that money upfront and pay the model for a shoot but, money out of my pocket?? Apr 26 05 08:20 pm Link well, I am not a model but as an artist I don't do testing paid or unpaid. I used to not announce it in my profile on modeling/photo sites but then I found myself constantly answering emails from people that wanted me to test or doa tfp. I was afraid that I would hurt feelings by saying "no". I didn't want anyone to feel like I felt their work wasn't good enough because thats not why I refuse unpaid work. It's because I really am just too busy. Now I have it on all my public sites and even my own domain site (under rates) It boils down to time. I respect peoples time and composing an email to me only to be told "sorry" just doesn't seem right and as I said before, people get their feelings hurt when you tell them no; but when you announce it across the board to everyone, nobody takes it personal. I don't know if the model has advanced in her career beyond tfp or not. It may be that she just had so many requests she figured..."I'll just say no to everyone and when I find someone whose work I really like, I will contact them" Apr 26 05 08:23 pm Link Posted by MGAphoto (ANT):
Apr 26 05 08:23 pm Link I feel stupid now. I just realized this is the only site I didnt say that on  It's on my site though. www.TheMakeupArtist.com edited to add....now my profile says what it should of said Apr 26 05 08:28 pm Link Apr 26 05 08:33 pm Link I would do that type of test. Photographer pays my day rate and then sells me the photos I want for any price he or she likes. It's a gamble on the photographers part but I would be all for it Apr 26 05 08:41 pm Link If I pay a model or a makeup artist. I don't feel that they are entitled to the images. They can purchase them, just like I purchased their services. It's all fair right? Apr 26 05 08:54 pm Link Posted by MGAphoto (ANT): Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: Wow man you must be Yoda! LOL Apr 26 05 09:03 pm Link Posted by EMG STUDIOS: Absolutely. Apr 26 05 09:04 pm Link Posted by EMG STUDIOS: Haven't we all? Apr 26 05 09:08 pm Link This is an ego driven business and a great many models overrate themselves thinking that they're "all that." I've even had models respond to my offer of TFP and try to get me to pay. I find it quite amusing to look at some of the third rate photos accompanied by profiles that read "paid assignments only." Paying out of pocket is for GWC's. A talented professional photographer should never be expected to pay out of pocket for anything more than travel expenses and/or refreshments for a TFP shoot. My response to "paid assignments only" is "NEXT!" Apr 26 05 09:22 pm Link All models with any serious interest in the field do TFP/tests. A lot of people will claim that they don't to cut down on offers from people who aren't worth testing with, but they do them. Personally, I very rarely do TFP and I say so. I'd rather turn down a bunch of silly TFP offers than lie on my profile. Models that really only shoot for pay don't last very long. Apr 27 05 01:41 am Link "Models that really only shoot for pay don't last very long." The truth is the light. Apr 27 05 06:08 am Link Posted by theda: Yes, but their crappy photos and profile last forever on OMP Apr 27 05 06:17 am Link Ive done a bit of TFP on my side and have scored many paid jobs on the side..I consider TFP with select photographers because as mentioned in this forum, it all comes down to time. Though I want to help out with those who are just starting out, I don't have enough time to give to everyone else out there who wants to work with me. TFP to me is practice for both parties and if the time is used wisely, the pictures will turn out well. I do agree that its ridiculous to put up "Paid assignments only" when the pictures on their profile is crap. That's like someone buying something on the net based on a description with no words. Apr 27 05 06:28 am Link Posted by EricMuss-Barnes: Laugh all you want. It works, but not for everyone. Apr 27 05 06:49 am Link Posted by EMG STUDIOS: agreed 150% Apr 27 05 08:14 am Link Posted by Dan Hood: Posted by theda: Yes, but their crappy photos and profile last forever on OMP LOL Apr 27 05 08:15 am Link Posted by Gary L.: Posted by EMG STUDIOS: agreed 150% Agreed... Apr 27 05 08:17 am Link I think it's unwise to say "Only" or "Never." It does close doors on occasion... It's nice to be open-minded to any possible beneficial opportunity. Apr 27 05 08:22 am Link yeah if someone has pay only they have to be pretty incredible for me to look at their profile very long. Most of the time I don't even make it past the main image. Chances are good that I won't cast them for paying gigs, I tend to cast people I know and have helped me out in the past. Really the only chance of them getting cast on a shoot with me is if my client casts them. I'd never use a makeup artist that hasn't tested with me so I can see how well they work, not just there makeup either. I wanna know how the shoot flows with them. And I want to know what happens after the shoot. If someone going to bug the hell out of me after the shoot, yeah your out. Shawn Apr 27 05 09:16 am Link Posted by Dan Hood: Posted by theda: Yes, but their crappy photos and profile last forever on OMP You nailed that one Dan. Apr 27 05 12:02 pm Link Well said Mary! "If a great photographer, artist, stylist etc work with a model thats weak, same thing, you end up with shots nobody but the model will want. " I should have been rich off of most of the models on OMP :-P Ok. That was the EGO talking! To date, I have only paid models when the gig was one where I earned money and had money to cover the model. I prefer a TF/DIR system Time For Digital Images and Rights... Basically, My philosophy (especially for the artwork) is that I will photograph you and modify it into artwork, I will not pay you, However, You have the right to final approval of any piece of artwork, and once we both agree it is a final piece I have a copyright, and you have an unlimited no-commercial use right to that image. Meaning, print posters and give them away, make downloadable free screesavers out of them, do whatever, As long as you are not selling my finished product. You want to sell my finished product, then I want a cut. :-P Unless you are super model material with a good memory that can drag me kicking and screaming to the top with you..... :-) Apr 27 05 01:05 pm Link "If you shoot with a model whose success has well surpased yours you will need to pay her. If a beginner model works with an established, great photographer, she will have to pay him. When a great model has the top names to chose from she has no incentive to work with someone unknown without pay." It all depends. There are no absolutes. I, personally, have never felt inspired to pay. Apr 27 05 03:05 pm Link Posted by Herb Way: Herb, I understand your point, and for the type of photos you're shooting (I only know from your portfolio here) you don't need to pay. Your photography (here anyway) is more artistic nude then commercial or fashion. If you were shooting fashion or commercial looking shots you would need someone with more specific requirments, height, measurments, great skin, hair, the whole package. Really good fashion and commercial models are hard to find even for paid jobs. I say that because I have been on many casting where a whole day went by with agency models streaming through for a paid job and not a single model was right. Figure models that don't have the stats etc to work in the main stream areas of modeling are easier to find (I would assume) and so it boils down to supply and demand, no reason you should pay. Apr 27 05 03:57 pm Link EMG STUDIOS wrote: I disagree. Just because a model does not have professional photos in their profile does not mean they don't know what a professional image looks like. I'm pretty sure a human who frequents the internet on any type of regular basis has seen at least a few of the millions of professional images of models available online. Dec 20 22 07:39 pm Link veypurr wrote: WoW. You're getting really good at digging up these fossilized threads! Dec 20 22 08:06 pm Link Oldest thread ever. Will say that a lot of models started putting that on their profiles to limit responses on purpose. It was the entire point. Quality > Quantity Dec 25 22 10:05 pm Link veypurr FTW! Dec 26 22 01:18 pm Link Mark Salo wrote: "He is answering a question from 17 years ago!" - Tom Cruise (Rain Man) Dec 26 22 09:26 pm Link Everyone that starts a thread hopes that it does well and people like it, perhaps informs, or gets you to ponder. This one has exceeded expectations. It has thrived and endured scandals, recessions, and even a couple of pandemics. And here it is, seventeen short years later (how time flies). It now, drives a car and will be graduating in the spring. I will try to send a note and maybe even a few bucks as this thread goes out and tries to make its way through this crazy world. Godspeed little thread. Dec 26 22 11:44 pm Link Redacted Dang I got lured into a Zombie thread Lol Dec 27 22 12:21 am Link Motordrive Photography wrote: Does well? Exceeded expectations? lol It lasted a month back in 05, didn't even make it to a second page. I'd hardly call that thriving. Dec 27 22 07:43 am Link Red Sky Photography wrote: That was part of the joke and sarcasm, sorry it missed the mark. Dec 27 22 10:08 am Link not here anymore. wrote: So true. Every model who claims to do only paid photoshoots is lying. Jan 14 23 01:25 am Link EMG STUDIOS wrote: I think so. I don't contact them, and I don't accept requests for photoshoots from them. 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