Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Nick Zantop wrote:
It's a fake image manipulated in photoshop. No one ever claimed that it was beautiful. Amanda Angel wrote:
Get a reality check! This is a reality not a manipulation of a photograph. Clearly you havent been to any fashion shows! I've been to a number of fashion shows and saw no evidence of what you are suggesting. There have been lots of photos on this thread of fashion shows with no evidence (except for the one model who died) of it either. If this problem is so prevalent at fashion shows it should be trivially easy for you to come up with a photo. Why don't you?
Just another case of someone thinking their opinion trumps all the evidence out there.
To listen to people like her and Chris you'ld think we'd see body bags at the end of each runway to haul away the emaciated corpses of the models who didn't have the energy left to turn around and go back.
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Dave Wright Photo SF wrote:
That photo is from an article about ultra-thin models, which means it's the exception, not the rule.
Sensationalism.
It's a pretty simple concept. Exceptions always prove the rule for fearmongers. They get a kick out of being scared and scaring others about the horrible horrible world out there. It's just funny how a few of them continue to use that one photo as evidence when on Snopes it's obvious its a fraud.
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Special Ed
Posts: 3545
New York, New York, US
Amanda Angel wrote:
Get a reality check! This is a reality not a manipulation of a photograph. Clearly you havent been to any fashion shows! Actually, I've photographed a few... Never seen a model looking like that.
Model
Bon voyage MM
Posts: 9508
Honolulu, Hawaii, US
GWC wrote:
anorexxia is a form of obssessive compulsive disorder it turns out. there r antisyphchotic, um, antipsychotic drugs that pretty much make it go stop. it is not a behavioral problem and the reaon people die of anorexia is because stupid people treat it as a moral issue or a behavioral problem and its not. u can't "cure" anorexics by talking to them and u can't prevent it by removing thin people from a sufferer's view - but fluoxetine and quetiapine an stuff like that work. people dont want to take antipsychotics because it sounds oooh oooh so bad - but f*cking anorexia is just another (fairly easily treatable!) neuroligical problem.
(edit - an by the way somethin like 20-30 people die of it a year. which is about the same number of people as break their necks falling down in bathtubs. oooh anorexia is a major medical skurge of epik proporshuns!)
I do not support anorexia, tho. because anorexics usually lose their b(o)(o)bies and look gross. Not that most of this is legible, but about 1000 people in the US die of anorexia alone, and that's not even including bulimics.
It's not a neurological problem (that an issue of the physical brain or spine, my mom runs a neurological practice, and eating disorders never come through there). It's a psychiatric issue, usually related to control and self-esteem, as well as lack of ability to express anger. These issues are acted out on their outsides, because they aren't happy with their insides.
Anti-psychotic drugs are good for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, as well as delusions and mania. Sometimes tourette's. Almost never eating disorders. They might benefit from an anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medication.
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Bon voyage MM
Posts: 9508
Honolulu, Hawaii, US
Dave Wright Photo SF wrote:
How is trying to emulate this body type a direct cause of an eating disorder?
![https://www.pomegranita.com/images/posts/carolina-herrera-spr2007.jpg]()
If anything, emulating that type of body would result in proper diet and exercise. While I feel they do look fabulous, I don't think women should try to emulate them. I could no sooner have that body than they could have mine. You have to know your body type; if you, like me, are 5'4 and your "happy weight" is 116 (I have to work to keep it at 110) trying to emulate a 5'11 fashion model is not only pointless, but stupid.
Model
Amanda Angel
Posts: 45
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Special Ed wrote:
Actually, I've photographed a few... Never seen a model looking like that. That is good then it is pretty sad to see.
Model
Amanda Angel
Posts: 45
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Curt Burgess wrote:
Nick Zantop wrote:
It's a fake image manipulated in photoshop. No one ever claimed that it was beautiful. I've been to a number of fashion shows and saw no evidence of what you are suggesting. There have been lots of photos on this thread of fashion shows with no evidence (except for the one model who died) of it either. If this problem is so prevalent at fashion shows it should be trivially easy for you to come up with a photo. Why don't you?
Just another case of someone thinking their opinion trumps all the evidence out there.
To listen to people like her and Chris you'ld think we'd see body bags at the end of each runway to haul away the emaciated corpses of the models who didn't have the energy left to turn around and go back. I am not suggesting that all fashion models are anorexic. That is not the case at all. There are many thin fashion models that are healthy. I just dont like how some woman feel pressured by society and the media to be thin and look plastic. There are many talented photographers on Model Mayhem that take beautiful photographs of all types of woman. Even looking at your portfolio I see that you have photographs of woman who are all types of sizes and looks. That is nice to see. There are also a lot of photographers on here who are to scared to stary away from the modeling industries standard of what is considered beautiful. It is very easy to photograph a person who is fake looking without flaws. It seem to me that more then some photographers only what to shoot unrealistic images of people. You cant deny that societies view on what beauty is is very warped and causes many young girls to feel the need to starve themselves to perfection.
Model
Amanda Angel
Posts: 45
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Amanda Angel wrote:
I am not suggesting that all fashion models are anorexic. That is not the case at all. There are many thin fashion models that are healthy. I just dont like how some woman feel pressured by society and the media to be thin and look plastic. There are many talented photographers on Model Mayhem that take beautiful photographs of all types of woman. Even looking at your portfolio I see that you have photographs of woman who are all types of sizes and looks. That is nice to see. There are also a lot of photographers on here who are to scared to stary away from the modeling industries standard of what is considered beautiful. It is very easy to photograph a person who is fake looking without flaws. It seem to me that more then some photographers only what to shoot unrealistic images of people. You cant deny that societies view on what beauty is is very warped and causes many young girls to feel the need to starve themselves to perfection. http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/ … walk-1.jpg
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With another model dead from complications likely caused by anorexia, pressure is being put on the fashion industry to set minimum weight limits, in the cut-throat world of modelling.
The most recent death of a runway model followed a mere six months after her own sister dropped dead during a fashion show from a heart attack induced by anorexia.
Weâve reported on this before because anorexia just isnât cool and it isnât right that we keep seeing this stuff. It was great when fashion designers issued weight guidelines just before NY fashion week. But the regulations need to be global. Earlier this year, Trend Hunter reported on Brazilâs 4th anorexic death, all driven by the obsession with thin.
Of course, with little concern for the health of their models, a spokesman on behalf of the British Fashion Council underlined the attitude that propogates the mentality behind these needless deaths when he insisted that weight âregulation is neither desirable nor enforceableâ
Do these models look hot? I donât know how designers could assume that anorexic bodies can sell clothing.
Anorexia is considered to be a professional disease of many catwalk models. It leads to depression, weakness and to much more serious health problems. The amount of death cases caused by anorexia continues to grow. Fashion bosses in Madrid and Milan have set a minimum body mass index for girls appearing in their shows in an effort to discourage starvation diets and eating disorders. But bosses at London Fashion Week - which is now in full swing - have refused to follow suit. Eliana's death will add to the pressure on the industry. (english.pravda.ru)
Model
Amanda Angel
Posts: 45
Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Curt Burgess wrote:
Nick Zantop wrote:
It's a fake image manipulated in photoshop. No one ever claimed that it was beautiful. Amanda Angel wrote:
Get a reality check! This is a reality not a manipulation of a photograph. Clearly you havent been to any fashion shows! I've been to a number of fashion shows and saw no evidence of what you are suggesting. There have been lots of photos on this thread of fashion shows with no evidence (except for the one model who died) of it either. If this problem is so prevalent at fashion shows it should be trivially easy for you to come up with a photo. Why don't you?
Just another case of someone thinking their opinion trumps all the evidence out there.
To listen to people like her and Chris you'ld think we'd see body bags at the end of each runway to haul away the emaciated corpses of the models who didn't have the energy left to turn around and go back. [/quot
More pics and facts
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Although many young good looking girls dream about being a successful model, not all of them get there. Modeling requires a lot of work and once you are there, a lot of sacrifices.
As most of you have noticed already, most models are not really the type of beautiful woman, but the type of very thin woman. Some of them are naturally thin, some of them use natural methods, but some of them use deadly methods, unfortunately.
I will present the cases of two famous models who passed away due to the harsh life in modeling.
Ana Carolina Reston was a successful Brazilian model that died at the early age of 21. During her continuous casting calls in order to get more contracts, she was told by a Chinese modeling company that she was too fat. That led to her decline into anorexia.
Ana Carolina Reston started to hunger herself in order to keep a thin body. She only weighed 40 kilograms at 1.72 meters when she was first hospitalized for a kidney disease due to anorexia. At that time she was on a diet of only eating apples and tomatoes. As her body mass index was of 13.4 and the World Health Organization considers 16 to be starvation, she passed away. Her mother was shocked of it and declared to the mass media: "I think that she's in the ground and the ants are eating her." Except the shocking declaration, she also made a call to the parents of aspiring young models to take care of their daughters, as no money can pay their souls.
Unfortunately, Ana Carolina Reston is not the only model in this situation.
Luisel Ramos was another young model who died at the age of 22 due to a harsh diet. She was presenting a new fashion collection in Uruguay. She felt ill during it and fainted. The faint was followed by a deadly heart attack, despite the medical attention she received in the dressing room. Her body mass index was of only 14.5. Her family mentioned she was on a died of only lettuce leaves and diet coke for over 3 months before her death.
Model
H0wah
Posts: 38
New York, New York, US
Everyone over-simplifies the situation here. Designers want to hire skinny models. For some its natural, for others you have to stress the body some. I know my share of working models with eating disorders. But they get work and that is what matters for them at this point and time.
As for the runway pictures looking healthy... there are plenty of super thin girls on the runway such as Tatiana Lyadockrina and Olga Bichko... the bobbleheads. I don't care what the pictures show, but if you're at any of the major fashion weeks, you will see just how outrageously skinny they are. They're not ALL like that, but there certainly is a fair share of the bobbleheads. Cameras add 10 pounds, and also, most of the photos are shot from higher above, making them look a little shorter and wider with distortion.
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K E E L I N G
Posts: 39894
Peoria, Illinois, US
Curt Burgess wrote:
wrote:
I don't want links to discussions - I want you to cite me a fashion ad in which a model looks clearly unhealthy. If you are going to make bold statements you should be able to back them up with things besides what you hear on TV. You're making increasingly bold claims. Assuming your aren't some kind of established expert on eating disorders and modeling you need to back your extreme claims up with some links to evidence. What you're saying is certainly not obvious but consistent with biases some have.
You need to pony up some evidence or you're just fearmongering and being an alarmist. The fact that you say you're "too lazy" is not much of an excuse. Take that horseshit logic into an Escort Thread. That's where you developed it, please leave it there. No I don't need to pony up evidence, I'm making my assertions on gut instinct and common sense. Your Modus Operandi Kurt, is to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of "Fear Mongering" and "Being an Alarmist" Sometimes, just sometimes, there is the possibility you are wrong. I'm not Fear Mongering, I'm discussing.
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K E E L I N G
Posts: 39894
Peoria, Illinois, US
Curt Burgess wrote:
Exceptions always prove the rule for fearmongers. They get a kick out of being scared and scaring others about the horrible horrible world out there. It's just funny how a few of them continue to use that one photo as evidence when on Snopes it's obvious its a fraud. FEAR MONGERERS! FEAR MONGERERS!
Everybody Run! Here comes the Fear Mongerers!
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39894
Peoria, Illinois, US
Curt Burgess wrote:
wrote:
I don't want links to discussions - I want you to cite me a fashion ad in which a model looks clearly unhealthy. If you are going to make bold statements you should be able to back them up with things besides what you hear on TV. You're making increasingly bold claims. Assuming your aren't some kind of established expert on eating disorders and modeling you need to back your extreme claims up with some links to evidence. What you're saying is certainly not obvious but consistent with biases some have.
You need to pony up some evidence or you're just fearmongering and being an alarmist. The fact that you say you're "too lazy" is not much of an excuse. I'm sure you want more, but this is enough for me when I add Common Sense to the Equation.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3883944&page=1
Photographer
lll
Posts: 12295
Seattle, Washington, US
Chris, have you not embarrassed yourself enough? Your kind of "common sense" would not even pass the simplest scientific test on logic (based on facts).
I don't think you even work with agency models. And the fact that you are blaming photographers (wrongfully) for picking fashion models of a certain form is just absurd.
It only shows a complete lack of understanding of the industry. And you are placing blames illogically on a group of people who actually share little to no blame for what's happening. Do you blame the herd of talk show hosts for perpetuating obesity?
I shoot about 100 plus agency models a year under various situations (commercial jobs, runway, tests etc.). I have met none (ok, borderline one, but she got help and is ok now) that has an eating disorder. Most of them eat more than me. Get real. Models are NOT supposed to be normal. If someone want to emulate them, it's their choice. If they are kids, it's their parents' responsibility. My parents told me not to emulate Michael Jordan when I played basketball. You know?
You have no credibility in making these claims. Zero. Nada.
Model
Nicole Burron
Posts: 77
Los Angeles, California, US
i love my body....
i go on hikes, skimboard, snowboard, play soccer, swim...i stay active...
i eat healthy...
but i never let myself go hungry
i may not be the skinniest girl
but i think my body is good
at the end of the day
i love who i am
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39894
Peoria, Illinois, US
lll wrote:
Chris, have you not embarrassed yourself enough?
I don't think you even work with agency models. And the fact that you are blaming photographers (wrongfully) for picking fashion models of a certain form is just absurd.
It only shows a complete lack of understanding of the industry. And you are placing blames illogically on a group of people who actually share little to no blame for what's happening. Do you blame the herd of talk show hosts for perpetuating obesity?
I shoot about 100 plus agency models a year under various situations (commercial jobs, runway, tests etc.). I have met none (ok, borderline one, but she got help and is ok now) that has an eating disorder. Most of them eat more than me. Get real. Models are NOT supposed to be normal. If someone want to emulate them, it's their choice. If they are kids, it's their parents' responsibility. My parents told me not to emulate Michael Jordan when I played basketball. You know?
You have no credibility in making these claims. Zero. Nada. Did you read this thread? Where did I say Photographers pick Fashion Models? As a matter of fact, the only post I made addressing that issue, I said I know Photographers don't pick the Models. Read the thread, then spout off your Horseshit and tell me I'm embarrassing myself. Go play in an Escort thread with Curt.
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39894
Peoria, Illinois, US
Nicole Burron wrote:
i love my body....
i go on hikes, skimboard, snowboard, play soccer, swim...i stay active...
i eat healthy...
but i never let myself go hungry
i may not be the skinniest girl
but i think my body is good
at the end of the day
i love who i am Great attitude, and you are correct, you are beautifull! 
Model
-AMO-
Posts: 38
Los Angeles, California, US
I'm not naturally skinny...or even thin....and it is HARD AS HELL being in this buisness....When someone like me is considered plus size....you gotta question the fashion world.
-AMO-
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39894
Peoria, Illinois, US
lll wrote:
Chris, have you not embarrassed yourself enough? Your kind of "common sense" would not even pass the simplest scientific test on logic (based on facts).
I don't think you even work with agency models. And the fact that you are blaming photographers (wrongfully) for picking fashion models of a certain form is just absurd.
It only shows a complete lack of understanding of the industry. And you are placing blames illogically on a group of people who actually share little to no blame for what's happening. Do you blame the herd of talk show hosts for perpetuating obesity?
I shoot about 100 plus agency models a year under various situations (commercial jobs, runway, tests etc.). I have met none (ok, borderline one, but she got help and is ok now) that has an eating disorder. Most of them eat more than me. Get real. Models are NOT supposed to be normal. If someone want to emulate them, it's their choice. If they are kids, it's their parents' responsibility. My parents told me not to emulate Michael Jordan when I played basketball. You know?
You have no credibility in making these claims. Zero. Nada. And if you had've read the thread, which you didn't do, you would've known that my part of the discussion was not about how many Models have Eating Disorders, but about the Young girls who try to emulate them and develop Eating Disorders trying to do so. I also said that Eating Disorders come from many places and not just the Fashion World. My whole point, which you would know if you had've read the thread, was that Fashion Photographers who argue that the Fashion World has Zero effect on Eating Disorders, have their heads in the sand.
Model
Nicole Burron
Posts: 77
Los Angeles, California, US
weight is such a crap way of going about things
i weigh more than my friend Katie who is a model...
but i'm two sizes smaller than her!
were the same height as well
anyone who says
"you have to get down to (insert weight here) lbs."
is a tool
weight is diff for every one...
its more about sizes...
aka inchs of waist/hips/bust/ect.
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Saki G
Posts: 33
New York, New York, US
RachelRavage wrote:
I searched google for photos and got these
![https://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/14/skinny_lead_narrowweb__300x449,0.jpg]()
![https://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/4413_4_230.jpeg]() Oh my GOD! Why would someone even put her ON there!!! That's Disgusting! She's Dying! Literally!
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Saki G
Posts: 33
New York, New York, US
Murasaki Gollogly wrote:
Oh my GOD! Why would someone even put her ON there!!! That's Disgusting! She's Dying! Literally! Okay okay. I just saw the link to the REAL photographs... but still... the real ones are not that much better. Thank God though. That made me sick.
Model
Fifi
Posts: 58134
Gainesville, Florida, US
If people think these dreadfully obvious fake pics are real, that's sad.
I am sooooo sick of people throwing the blame around on everyone but where it should be.
The fashion and entertainment industry shouldn't be held responsible, the parents of these young girls should be. And, to sit here and lay all the blame on the fashion industry shows that you know absolutely nothing about anorexia, bulimia, and other eating disorders. It is a PSYCHOLOGICAL problem..... Most of the time, it has nothing to do with achieving a specific body type, it's about control.
Jesus... some of you people really need to shut the fuck up and do some research because you are only making yourself look ridiculous.
Model
Bianca Smith
Posts: 28
Los Angeles, California, US
RachelRavage wrote:
I searched google for photos and got these
![https://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/14/skinny_lead_narrowweb__300x449,0.jpg]()
![https://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/4413_4_230.jpeg]() ......the bottom image.... is that real? It almost looks like a photoshop job... or maybe it's just f...king unbelievable.
I will admit that modeling has caused me to self-evaluate more than I normally would, and I can see how it can lead women to become obsessed to the point of threating one's own well being. But this is just disgusting. It should be a warning to all all models. You CAN go overboard. We all need to love ourselves, and give ourselves more credit.
Model
Bianca Smith
Posts: 28
Los Angeles, California, US
RachelRavage wrote:
I searched google for photos and got these
![https://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/14/skinny_lead_narrowweb__300x449,0.jpg]()
![https://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/4413_4_230.jpeg]() ......the bottom image.... is that real? It almost looks like a photoshop job... or maybe it's just f...king unbelievable.
I will admit that modeling has caused me to self-evaluate more than I normally would, and I can see how it can lead women to become obsessed to the point of threating one's own well being. But this is just disgusting. It should be a warning to all all models. You CAN go overboard. We all need to love ourselves, and give ourselves more credit.
Model
Heather Antionette
Posts: 882
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Fifi-Alexis wrote:
If people think these dreadfully obvious fake pics are real, that's sad.
I am sooooo sick of people throwing the blame around on everyone but where it should be.
The fashion and entertainment industry shouldn't be held responsible, the parents of these young girls should be. And, to sit here and lay all the blame on the fashion industry shows that you know absolutely nothing about anorexia, bulimia, and other eating disorders. It is a PSYCHOLOGICAL problem..... Most of the time, it has nothing to do with achieving a specific body type, it's about control.
Jesus... some of you people really need to shut the fuck up and do some research because you are only making yourself look ridiculous. God!!!!! Thank you! Finally someone that said it! I am a recovering bulimic. I havnt thrown up voluntarily for the past 3 years.
My mother died, I got sent to a boarding school, and after I was kicked out I had to go through Hurricane Katrina. ALL I WANTED WAS SOME CONTROL!!!
Thats all these sicknesses are about control. After I settled down and got CONTROL of my life I was on the path to healing myself. The fashion industry has nothing to do with this anymore. Im 188 pounds and I will tell you the only reason designers like skinny models is because the CLOTHES ARE GONNA LOOK BETTER!
So think before you speak guys!
Model
Josie Nutter
Posts: 5865
Seattle, Washington, US
If anything, emulating that type of body would result in proper diet and exercise. Spending some time in the Model Matters forum should give you an idea of how few people know what proper diet and exercise are.
Photographer
Wicked West Photography
Posts: 284
Durant, Oklahoma, US
XXX Sinistre wrote:
I kinda wish this phase was over..
It's unfortunate.. and a crazy issue.
I believe I have an eating disorder..
I binge like crazy cuz I think I'm TOO SKINNY LMAO *dead serious too*
I have a retarded metabolism.. and always want to gain weight.. even had a baby gained 60 pounds and went back down to my pre-baby weight. Ugh, I hate it..
I want to be thicker.. Yuppers! Me too!
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Constance Ruiz
Posts: 1576
Beaufort, North Carolina, US
Amanda Angel wrote:
This is NOT BEAUTIFUL!!!! It is Gross! the bottom one is fake, the top gal is beautiful. she is thin, but there is nothign wrong with that.
Model
Constance Ruiz
Posts: 1576
Beaufort, North Carolina, US
Chris Keeling wrote:
Good for you, you're not as lazy as I am. And more girls do try to emulate those types of bodies, hence the eating disorders, and this discussion. it is not the world of fashion or the photographers or clients etc. fault that alot of girls are to dim witted to know when they are a nice thin healthy weight, and when they need to stop losing weight or trying to lose weight. thats the individuals fault. not the models on the runway or anyone else for that matter.
Photographer
Wicked West Photography
Posts: 284
Durant, Oklahoma, US
I've been naturally thin my whole life - I weighed 89 lbs (5'2, 35-25-36) until I was 26 years old, and am just now, at 27, at 103 lbs. I have had drs evaluate me, and I am in perfect health, with no disorders - I just have a high metabolism, just to clarify.
Back in 99, I went to college with a bulimic girl. She told me, to my face, "You are the reason I have an eating disorder - you and Calista Flockhart - I can never be as thin as you!"
So I asked her, "how long have you had this disorder?"
Her answer - 10 years. Um, she'd only known me about 3 months, and Calista Flockhart hadn't been on TV that long, and Cindy Crawford and other big models of the late 80s and 90s, when she developed this disorder, weren't skin and bones. The "heroin-chic" look started shortly AFTER she got her disorder.
So, it was all MY fault - not the fact that she's been sexually abused as a child and had other emotional problems as well?
Eating disorders often are long-term illnesses that may require long-term treatment. In addition, eating disorders frequently occur with other mental disorders such as depression, substance abuse, and anxiety disorders (NIMH, 2002). The earlier these disorders are diagnosed and treated, the better the chances are for full recovery. This fact sheet identifies the common signs, symptoms, and treatment for three of the most common eating disorders: anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa, and binge-eating disorder (NIMH, 2002).
Eating disorders are real, treatable medical illnesses with complex underlying psychological and biological causes. They frequently co-exist with other psychiatric disorders such as depression, substance abuse, or anxiety disorders. (National institue of Mental Health)
Most drs say that a MOTHER'S opinion of food has more to do with her DAUGHTER'S eating disorder than any media source. If mom is always saying "I'm fat, I need to diet" or always saying "do you REALLY need that extra helping sweetie?", etc, that is far more likely to cuase the child to have a warped body image than any magazine cover.
Model
Cwen
Posts: 1760
Washington, District of Columbia, US
 I'm naturally thin, as is my little sister. I'm tired of everyone (not anyone here) assuming at some point that we're anorexic or have some kind of eating disorder, and then watching people brawl over it. Then "IT'S SO UGLY! NOT BEAUTIFUL! AAHH!" to secure their standpoint. In some instances, my ribs show, my spine juts out - and? To be honest, I shudder a little sometimes at some captures I find myself in. But I just caught the light the wrong way. Not every picture is going to flatter me to my own standards. I'm sorry I have prominent clavicles and wrist bones, and you can see my ribs sometimes. But I'm not unhealthy. Thanks. Why should I be responsible for other people's images of themself? I personally find curvy people with a little tummy the most beautiful, and I hope to find myself as a more comfortable shape one day. But why throw up or starve oneself? Why not go running or something, which tends to be immediately effective? Are there anorexic people that actually exercise until they drop? Just curious.
Photographer
Wicked West Photography
Posts: 284
Durant, Oklahoma, US
Gabrielle Lauren wrote:
I'm naturally thin, as is my little sister. I'm tired of everyone (not anyone here) assuming at some point that we're anorexic or have some kind of eating disorder, and then watching people brawl over it. Then "IT'S SO UGLY! NOT BEAUTIFUL! AAHH!" to secure their standpoint. In some instances, my ribs show, my spine juts out - and? To be honest, I shudder a little sometimes at some captures I find myself in. But I just caught the light the wrong way. Not every picture is going to flatter me to my own standards. I'm sorry I have prominent clavicles and wrist bones, and you can see my ribs sometimes. But I'm not unhealthy. Thanks.
Why should I be responsible for other people's images of themself? I personally find curvy people with a little tummy the most beautiful, and I hope to find myself as a more comfortable shape one day.
But why throw up or starve oneself? Why not go running or something, which tends to be immediately effective? Are there anorexic people that actually exercise until they drop? Just curious. Yeah, they can call us anorexic, but god forbid we say the F word...
Yes, actually, one of the eating disorders (maybe bulimia) can involves working out to dangerous level, in addition to not properly eating or binging and purging.
Model
Caperucita Roja
Posts: 11545
London, England, United Kingdom
I got pneumonia last year and my weight dropped to 70 lbs, the doctors thought I wasn't going to make it. Maybe it's the fact I probably blended in well, but for some odd reason they stuck me in a ward with a load of girls with eating disorders.
These weren't girls trying to be runway models. For example, one of the girls had become anorexic because she used to be a little plumper than most and the boys at her school took to calling her fat. She started losing weight and then she found it difficult to stop.
There was a night where a girl had refused to eat for quite some time and the doctors felt it best to "force feed" her, it was about 2am and the doctors had to carry her out of the room kicking and screaming, she was screaming at them not to feed her... it was a scary scary thing to wake up to.
Anorexia is a mental health illness just like any other- there could be many triggers, but it would be wrong to place the blame solely on the fashion industry for its rise.
Although admittedly, theres a definite correlation in statistics between the rise of high fashion and eating disorders. Let's put it this way, there weren't half as many this time 100 years ago.
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glamour pics
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Los Angeles, California, US
NZ Photo wrote:
You know what I find really interesting - EVERY single story on the internet about this refers to Adi Barkan as a top fashion photographer and one of the best fashion photographer's in the world.
For someone who has the media calling him one of the best, he seems to have no actual mention of himself anywhere on the internet except in regards to him campaigning against anorexia.
Bizarre. A very, very perceptive observation. Maybe Barkan is using the issue as a way to make himself famous. It is also a fact that the media likes to quote "leading" experts and "best" people, and "top" experts. An article would have a weak lead if it started, "Joe Schmo, a mediocre amateur photographer, has started a campaign..."
Barkan would be one of many ambitious people who climbed on issues, or positioned themselves as experts, for their own benefit. An excellent example is "The Amazing Randi," a middling magician who has made a big name for himself and gotten money and other benefits by bashing psychics and those who espouse paranormal matters. Randi was termed "a scumbag" by other magicians for revealing closely-kept secrets that had been entrusted to him by magicians who taught him. Randi also constantly issues a "challenge" with monetary prize for evidence of psychic accomplishments. But check out the "terms" for a challenge...you've never read such weasel language in your life. One of the most astonishing weaselings in the pile of weaselings is that the challenger "must have a substantial media presence" already. Randi, you see, whose media savvy is as "amazing" as his self-adulation, doesn't want to waste his time unless it brings him still more press.
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Susana 123
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Miami Beach, Florida, US
Interesting thread - although some of us are just the way we are... Tatiana
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Ivy Jo
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Amarillo, Texas, US
Rebecca Chloe wrote:
Anorexia is a mental health illness just like any other- there could be many triggers, but it would be wrong to place the blame solely on the fashion industry for its rise. Thank you for saying this. Regardless of whatever causes may or may not statistically corelate to anorexia (and with the right analysis you can make stats say anything you want), it is at its core a mental health issue.
Girls and women who are mentally healthy are perfectly capable of modeling, or observing models and the fashion industry, Hollywood, whatever and remaining at healthy weights. Even some of those models who diet and excersize a great deal and are very thin are not necessarily anorexic.
Anorexia is the psycological fear of being fat. Affected women use their diet and excersize as a control factor to feel better about there phobias. Thus, even a very thin model may not be actually be anorexic; It is clearly better for a model career to be a certain weight (yes, that may be slightly underweight by medical standards), but as long as she is mentally healthy and making good decisions, she is in fact not anorexic.
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YugoGirl
Posts: 321
Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia
I am not going to get into this whole large discussion as it seems pointless.
Not to mean I don't appreciate and cheriss photographers who are sensitive to this
subject and realistic about it.
But the facts are that medically speaking there is NO WAY in h.. that you can deprive your body of completely all essential fat and carbohydrates and be healthy. Your hair will suffer, your nails, but most of all your nervous system and brain. So, to connect the dots...mental issue of anorexia...at a certain point of undernourishment your nervous system is disfunctional anyways, just like it would be from lack of sleep or extreme exhaustion and don't you think it is kind of a bit tooo easy to start losing yourself than and to start overdoing it with trying to be thin and to lose perspective....
And also yes there are those with very high methabolism which to inform is often also not healthy as it might mean that eventually you might end up with problems of hyperthyroidism that you were predisposed with and might get thyroid cancer, not to mention other symptoms... balance is the word....
I just hate how we all pretend like we are all these stonewalls of courage and strength who don't get influenced by anything so we have all the right to judge everyone for being anorexic or fat or bulimic or unemployed or depressed or this or that.... judging is just an ignorance wrapped around inexperience or sometimes extreme anger and resentment not expressed.
I just say be healthy either way, try to, it is not easy in todays world no matter what...it is NOT easy to lose weight but sometimes also not to gain it...because we have no balance..And we shouldn't judge eachother but try to understand and help each other as we all in the end are one. And 66lbs as I said many times on that height is not ok, ask any doctor.... 100lbs on m height is too low 5'8" not to imagine 66lbs...
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LaViolette
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Hollywood, Florida, US
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I'm naturally thin, as is my little sister. I'm tired of everyone (not anyone here) assuming at some point that we're anorexic or have some kind of eating disorder, and then watching people brawl over it. Then "IT'S SO UGLY! NOT BEAUTIFUL! AAHH!" to secure their standpoint. In some instances, my ribs show, my spine juts out - and? To be honest, I shudder a little sometimes at some captures I find myself in. But I just caught the light the wrong way. Not every picture is going to flatter me to my own standards. I'm sorry I have prominent clavicles and wrist bones, and you can see my ribs sometimes. But I'm not unhealthy. Thanks. 
